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Der da der indeed

do you follow jesus?

Nope.

you deny ur savior who died onthe cross for you?

Yup.

ur goingto hell forthat

What makes you think that?

cause ur not supposed to deny jesus der da der

According to who?

duh the bible u idoit

So… You just read books and do what they say, do you?

I read the bible and do wat it say’s because the bible is true and u are wack in the head satanist

Sorry, but the Bible is just a book of mythology.  There are people who consider the Qur’an to be the word of a god, but as you’re apparently aware, it isn’t.  That’s how I view your Bible.

you aren’t wack your retarded who told u this the bible is not fiction it’s truth don’t blame me when u die and go to the mythical HELL

X) Nobody had to “tell” me. It’s obvious. Why, do you have some evidence that the Bible’s foundational claims are true?

yes plenty satanist how do u think we know and found out about Leanord Divinci because of texts and history the same is with the bible texts and pages formed together and put into a book

X) Yes, but the claim “A guy named Leonardo Da Vinci who was an inventor existed” is different than the claim “A magical omnipotent spirit created the Universe and if you don’t believe in his son you have to be tortured for eternity after you die.”

dummy didn’t i just give u the… ahh your so dum ….just wait you’ll be proven otherwise

X) No. All you gave me was the claim that since written documents prove Da Vinci’s existence, then presumably the fact that written documents contain the foundational claims of Christianity, they must also be true.

wats ur address so i can whoop that ass for talkin about the lord like that

XD Yeah, if my arguments were that weak I’d probably resort to violence as well.
So, what’s your alleged evidence, again? The fact that it’s written down in documents that have been collated?

my evidense is faith, history , texts and stories passed down from generations to generations*

Ahh, okay. So your “evidence” is that it’s written down and that you have faith.

”sigh” you’ll never learn how do u think we exist right now

How do I think we exist? That’s kind of a vague question.

answer it then

Right now, I’m existing in a sitting position in front of a computer.

so am i but don’t u think theres a little bit more than that like your soul

Not really. I have a mind, I have a personality, but I don’t see any evidence that those are due to anything supernatural.

supernatural is a word depicting Ghosts but i think holyness is wat u mean

Call it what you like.

for real like man tell me where u are so i can make u feel the hand of god smack right across ur face

X) I’ll give you my address if you can present even one piece of evidence that your god exists.

ok then read the bible for once

I have read the Bible.

then u shouls know

The Bible contains no proof, only a bunch of stories.

ok then think of where the bible texts came from they are all from historical places

X) The text of the Qur’an came from “historical places” as well; does that make the Qur’an true?

but that is from tall tales old tall tales the bible is from writings of events that had happened

And how do you know that the stories in the Bible actually happened?

from proven results accuringto the events like the egyptians and how the plague happened that was told in egyptian texts

X) The Biblical plagues were *not* reported in any Egyptian records. Sorry to disappoint you.

sorry to disappoint u but historical nigerians had a messenger back from egypt telling of plagues during egypt put it into texts

Okey-dokey; go ahead and show me how you know that to be true, then.

uh duh explorations of egypt and nigerian cities show proof of writings telling of the plague der da der

All right, go ahead and present some proof of those claims, then.

i just told you where….uhhhh!!!….i tols u where to look it up at dummy how much moer proof do u want

XD Just saying “There is some proof in some documents in Nigeria!” is not itself proof of anything.
I could just as easily present “proof” along those lines that any other religion is also true.

like wat one satanism the thing u worship

X) I’m not a Satanist.
Seriously, though, you could do it for any religion. Let’s take Islam for instance.
Many archaeological discoveries prove that the Qur’an is true!
There is proof that Islam is true in a document in Uganda!

thats where the bible came from dummy first through the hebrews in islam and then to us

You’re mixing up Islam and Judaism. Christianity branched off from Judaism.

hebrews started the teachings of god then the other cultures adapted to it oh wat ya gonna say now every mimic u say i have a solution

XD That’s not a “solution.” You’re still incorrect; Christianity did not derive from Islam, it derived principally from Judaism.  Judaism (the Hebrew religion) and Islam are two different things.

oh my god didn’t i say other cultures adapt to it lthink before u speak u have time too were writing texts on a pc

XD Here’s what you said.
“thats where the bible came from dummy first through the hebrews in islam and then to us”
If you weren’t muddling Islam and Judaism, what did you mean by saying that Christianity came from “the hebrews in islam”?

hebrews made evry one adapt then judasim adapted then the wholr rets of the world spread into religions depicting god how much more info d

At any rate, back to my original point: your “proof”– claims of documents in Africa– could be used to “prove” any religion.

but don’t forget god depicted religions came from Islam aha wat about that

XD What?! Islam is *younger* than Christianity. Are you saying that Christianity is not a “god depicted religion”?

duh islam is younger it was the first to start it then christins caught on u just went against ur self idiot

…No. “Youngest” means… newer. As in, not first.
Christianity is older than Islam. Therefore, Christianity cannot have come from Islam.

know youngest in human age mean newer youngest in texts means oldest like say the youngest form of football was in the early 1900s

XD! Wow. “Youngest” is the opposite of “oldest” when it comes to both people and texts.
At any rate, how can Christianity have come from Islam when Christianity was around before Islam?

not back then it wasn’t now youngest means newest but the bible is from back then and islam was the start of god depicted religoin

So you’re claiming that Islam was around before Christianity, are you?  Despite the fact that the founder of Islam was born five hundred years after the founder of Christianity?

thats exactly wat i’m claiming and your claiming thought with know meanings i have fact behind my speech

I’m going to ask the obvious question here.  How can Islam have been around before Christianity, given that its founder was born 500 years after the advent of Christianity?  Was Mohammed a time traveler?

your wrong Islam was the start then christinity was born 100 years later
It’s funargueng with u finally an argument worth fighting for
even though your wrong lol
o know we have been talkin for nearly an half an hour you must be a true hard head and don’topen up to ideas which u think our wrong
i got to go i added u so we can finish this arguement later alright satanist
oh yeah Islam was the first religion if god dummy’

So, how do you reconcile your assertion that Islam is older than Christianity with the fact that Islam was founded after Christianity?

actully Islam was founded in 212 bc while christianity was born in 10ac

Then how do you account for Mohammed being alive some 700 years later?

bc is before ac so sorry u got it wrong

…No. I’m aware of that, and it’s consistent with what I’ve just said.
What dating system is “A.C.” from, anyway?

It means after christ

So you believe that Jesus lived less than two years?

wat wat are u talkin bout

Well, if you’re dividing time into years “Before Christ” and “After Christ,” then you must believe that Jesus was not alive for an entire calendar year.

bc means before christ was fully developed and ac means after christ died and in between them is when christ was fully developed

Why not just use the standard B.C./A.D. dating system?

because that’s how they did it i guess weird huh?
i just was are u blimed

No, you said you used some “B.C./A.C.” system that divides years after Jesus’s alleged birth.  Wouldn’t that make this the 1980s?

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may God take over your life

God loves you brother

Which one?

The one and only

Yes, but which one and only? There are hundreds.

will you stop that
Dont be confused…..you only think that….its sad honestly…..but the great part is that no matter what you are loved by God

That’s nice. So, which one?

Again I say dont be confused….you already know very well who Im speaking of…..so dont pretend plz. You deny him simply b/c

I wouldn’t want to presume.

you dont like the idea of your actions sending you to hell…its easier just to pretend he doesnt exist

XD Of course, the fact that there’s no reason to believe that a god exists makes it much easier to “pretend.”

no….you know that God exist….you’re just WILLINGLY ignorant…..

I reject belief in gods simply because there is no rational reason to believe in a god.

you hide your fear behind false logic and propagana….you dont know…you only THINK you know…

That’s nice. So, do you have any evidence of your god’s existence, or…?

if you would be kind enough to tell me your name I will pray for you and God will honor prayer and begin to move in your life : )
not b/c im special or anything…but because he loves you and he desires a relationship with you : )

X) Join the queue.

I will humbly join those in prayer for you….but know this….when God moves on your behalf…honor that
Your name? I promise that all I want to do is pray for you…nothing more….I will leave the rest in God’s hands and let you be

I’m sure your god can figure out who I am, what with being omniscient and all.

thats true……but I was going to have others pray for you as well….if i give you a phone number will you phone in with me?
Ill tell you up front the line opens promtly at 6:33am….but I would be honored if you would phone in with me please

No; sorry. If I obliged everyone who tried to convert me it’d be a full-time job.

what have you got to lose? from 6:33-7:14 thats all…..

Like I said, if I said yes to every church invitation etc. I receive, it would consume all my time. So, in order to be fair, I oblige no one, unless their offer sounds particularly interesting, which yours does not.  Sorry.

what do you say?

No.

will you please just make this attempt once….not face to face…you dont even have to speak…just listen in…

Anyway, you haven’t provided even a speck of evidence for the legitimacy of your beliefs.

with all due respect you havent asked for any

“That’s nice. So, do you have any evidence of your god’s existence, or…?”
^^^That was me asking you for evidence.

but I REALLY would love for you to listen in on this phone call…my name is [name] from Lafayette Ga.
when you hear me you can hang up if you’d like….and what type do you want?

Any kind of evidence would suffice.

uni means “one” verse means “spoken sentence” we live in a single spoken scentence
god spoke the earth and heavens into existance
as much as language changes that fact has not throughout time

So… do you have any evidence that that “fact” is true?

ok…..do you live in this universe? I mean believer or not…you have to admit the universe is real
this may go better if you just ask a question within an area of personal doubt on your end
i could go all day on topics that may not be relevant to you

My doubt concerning your god is pretty comprehensive; you can pick any area you like, so far as I’m concerned.

so for now I would like to attempt to answer the questions that make you doubt….most atheist are intelligent people

XD Are we? I dunno; I’ve met some pretty dense atheists in my time.

so im sure that something specific is bothering you
lol…ill agree to that

Not really. There’s no evidence that your god exists; it’s as simple as that.

honestly this planet is proof
evolution is created to encourage atheism
we’ve all been subject to mass tax funded brainwashing
everyone

In what way are you saying your god’s existence is necessary to account for the existence of the Earth?

the fact that everything is in order and is harmoneous

In what way do you mean “harmonious”? There are plenty of things that don’t seem all that harmonious to me, but if you define the word broadly enough it could be true.

well its true that may be subject to selective interpretation….thats why I said it would be easier for you to tell me why you personaly dont belive

I don’t believe because there is no reason to believe. The rational default position toward any proposition is a lack of belief.  That’s my personal reason.

where you spend your eternity is a pretty good one
if there is no God who decides whats right and wrong?
where did good and evil come from?

What do you mean by “good and evil,” exactly?
I use the words to refer to decisions that promote benefit and decisions that promote harm, respectively, but those words are very nebulously-defined in general.

I mean who determines what a good or evil action or person is?

People do; who else would?

which people and why? what would make one persons opinion overule another?
if that were the case i could make you belive in God

One person’s opinion would overrule another’s if it could be demonstrated that that opinion was more justified by the available evidence.

for good and evil?
could you offer an example of that theory?

Well, say somebody says, “It would be good to throw this hand grenade into a room full of children!” Then person B disagrees, offering some proof that grenade explosions are harmful and would probably cause suffering. Person B’s opinion is vindicated, assuming Person A doesn’t provide any counter-evidence.

and if they can…?

Then the debate continues, though I think that in practice this would be an open-and-shut case.

who would get to decide?

You mean, who would have the ability to enforce their decision?

and that would only be one specific action

Yup. You asked for an example.

websters dictionary HAS a conclusive definition for both words…what do you think the basis is for those words?

Basis for the *words*? Words are just labels for things.

words are how we communicate
a study was conducted with children who had no social interaction from birth….
they died
they were fed 3 squares…had vaccines…got exercise…but they died without the ability to communicate

I’d ask for some documentation of this study if it had any relevance to what we’re talking about.

is that words carry weight and are significant…this is just in response to what you said
not backing up my posistion on God
and you could google it for yourself

Sorry, but providing evidence for your claims isn’t my responsibility.

i heard about it in my Psyc. class
the best thing would simply be to ask for an encounter with God

So… all that stuff about “Where do good and evil come from?”– you’re just abandoning that, or what?

no IM open to a debate anytime…I just think that you having an encounter with the Lord would do much more : )
Im sure if you were open to it he would honor that request
all you have to do is cry out with honest intentions and he’ll be there
i really would like you to join this phone confrence with me in the morning

Your god’s Yahweh, I take it?

exscuse me?

Yahweh, the Abrahamic god, would be your god, I assume.

God, Jesus, I am that I am,

Yeah, that one. Okey-dokey.
YAHWEH! PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH SOME EVIDENCE OF YOUR EXISTENCE.
Hrm. Nothing happened.

Please dont attempt to frustrate me….its a waste of time….but Im asking you to join me in the morning

You said that if I asked him with honest intentions to provide proof that he would.

but as i assumed an actual encounter scares you
you dont want to know the father
you dont want to give up your own lusts

Not really. I mean, would you say that an encounter with Hannibal Lecter “scares” you? It would be horrifying to find out that the Abrahamic god exists, but it’s such a remote possibility it’s hard to countenance seriously.

lector isnt all powerful and knowing : )
well that guy didnt die for your sins : )
he is your god too

No.

where do you think man came from….monkeys?!

No. Humans evolved; they didn’t come from monkeys.

were desendants of Adam my friend
..propaganda
there is no evidence for that
none

Sure there is; would you like me to go over some of it?

thats a debate thats easy to win

XD Well, that’s true.

lol…lets do it…im about to tick you off….just warning you

That does sound likely.

evolution is a religion first of all
so youre not an atheist

I don’t believe in any gods, therefore I am an atheist.

evolution requires faith in the unseen

No, it doesn’t.

has anyone ever seen evolution take place?

Yup.

please tell me how so

Ever heard of the Lenski bacteriological experiments?

and are we talking micro,macro, cosmic

Uh… cosmic “evolution” is a separate thing from biological evolution.

no please enlightenme
well..micro, or macro,

You’d call it “micro,” which is of course a meaningless distinction employed by creationists in order to make it seem that the more undeniable examples of evolution are somehow separate from the larger, somewhat harder-to-grasp examples.

no its a legit defined term of evolution
check your theory there are 6 stages

Broadly, it was a series of experiments that observed the emergence of a new trait in E. coli.

anyway…im curious to hear how somone has viewed a process that supposedly takes millions of years

Oh, not at all. Remember, evolution refers to changes in allele frequencies in populations over time. It’s always going on; it’s just not always immediately apparent.

so time is your god

Er… if you say so.

b/c all those theories fluff without the imagination and billions of years
so ….you were saying?

Re: what? The Lenski experiments?

yeah man…

As said, they observed the emergence of a new trait in E. coli.

but its still ecoli right…

Yup.

wouldnt evolution be changing into a new bacteria?
like a monkey into a human

Not exactly; all evolution is is change in allele frequencies in populations over time. That encompasses change of that sort of any magnitude. And, no, evolutionists don’t posit that humans evolved from monkeys.

monkey to upright walking homosapian is suppose to evolution

That would be another example of evolution, yes. Though, as I just pointed out, no one actually thinks that humans evolved from monkeys.

the emerging of a new trait is just adapting

Yes; evolution is adaptation.

and plenty of people think that…its in museums

I’ve never seen a museum that suggested it.

and adaptation is NOT evolution

It isn’t? In that case, I don’t accept evolution, and neither did Darwin.

google it…lol
plenty of them out there
zoo’s as well
….your changing the definition to suit your argument..but it still proves nothing

The definition of evolution employed by the scientific community is change in allele frequency in populations over time.

you gave me an example of adaptation

Yup. And that adaptation was an example of evolution.

adaptation and evolution have two seperate definitions
and a change in bacteria is you reason not to belive in God!?

No; whether or not evolution is true has no effect on whether or not I believe in a god.

it should!.b/c if we didnt evolve then how did we get here….?
we were created!

Got any evidence of that?

yesir

Please.

the human genome can only be traced back to thousands of years

Untrue, but go on.

and the more studies that come up reveal that we all share common ancestors

Well, yeah. That’s one of the central predictions of evolutionary theory.

dude you can google that as well…or go to PBS..they have an on going series on TV now about it

Sorry; proving your claims for you isn’t my responsibility.

no but its yours to check my sources if you dont belive me

XD And your source is “Google.” Or “on PBS somewhere.” Tell me, is “Google” peer-reviewed?

we could sit here all night and do this if thats your attitude

Anyway, when are you going to get on to the bit about proving divine creation?

no google will just offer thousands of sites that support my claim
you can have your choice of a credible source

Google will also offer thousands of sites that support my claims, so… there you go.

no your sources cant be observed and tested..mine can
: )

Yes they can; I provided you with an example just a few minutes ago. Have you forgotten already?

as i said …no one has ever viewed evolution

Sure they have; I just gave you an example.

and adaptation is seperate from evolution

No, it isn’t. Sorry.  As I said, if “evolution” is not adaptation, then “evolution” is not a belief I hold.

is a change in species or kinds…evolution leads to a whole new species

Evolution is change in allele frequency in populations over time.  This doesn’t necessarily mean speciation.

like saying that lizards came from birds

Whoever said that lizards came from birds?

every palenotologist who says that birds are ancestors of dinosaurs
i know you’ve heard that claim
and its rediculous

…No. Dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds.

lol……*sigh*….

XD Yeah, it would be fairly ridiculous, given that dinosaurs were around long before birds.

they were all created at the same time my friend

Got any evidence of that?

yeah…the book of genesis

The fact that it’s written in a book is not proof that it’s true.

ahh…..so you understand that science books contain lies?

Some do, sure. What, did you think my argument for the veracity of evolution was “It’s written in a book!! DUHHHRRR.”

nearly all do….and thing that states millions or billions of years does
the earth isnt that old

Got any evidence of that?

are you aware that the earth has a magnetic field?

Yup.

and that it is decreasing
???

Ah, you’re going to do the “it’s decreasing at rate X which proves the Earth is only a few thousand years old!” argument, are you?

well for now im just curious as to wether or not youre aware
but if youre familar then how can you possibly think the earth is millions or billions of years old

Because nothing about the fact that Earth’s magnetic field may be currently decaying indicates a young Earth.

you know the moon is drifting further and further from earth

Let me rebut one argument before moving onto the next, please.
Earth’s magnetic field has varied in intensity many times during its existence. I’d really have to know which measurements you’re basing your claims on to offer a more specific rebuttal.

if you were to increase the magnetic field by the same rate as its decreasing by millons of years the solar system would be pulled into
our planet

Yes, but as I just pointed out, the Earth’s magnetic field varies in intensity.

the rate its decreasing doesnt
its a constant variable

No, it isn’t. Sorry. Would you like to see some citations? There’s really not much more I can do in order to reinforce this point.

that principle is how we can tell that the moon is drifting away from earth
if the magnetic field was restored by millions of years the moon would be on the planet

X) Please listen to me for a second. No, Earth’s magnetic field has not always declined at a constant rate. Its intensity has varied repeatedly, and its polarity has reversed repeatedly.

and you know this how?

Well, it’s what’s indicated by the evidence.

im talking about what we can observe and study now…not what we think may have happened then

It’s a hypothesis that’s been confirmed numerous times in peer-reviewed publications; the data’s there for anyone to analyze.

publications do not equal science or facts

Well… yes, of course, but the peer review process provides a strong indicator of whether or not a study is basically valid. It also indicates that the raw data of a study is available, meaning that, if you wanted, you could scrutinize it for inconsistencies.

just beause its published doesnt mean its true, common sense should tell you that

Yes, but that’s not what I actually claimed.

its observable and testable that if there is a constant variable then the equations are true
simple algebra…you cant solve the problem without knowing the value or constant of at least one variable
anything less is guess work
and guess work isnt fact
simply a theory

Oh, lord. You think that “theory” implies uncertainty, don’t you?

the loss of rate of the magentic field does not change

Got any proof of that?

i theory is what someone THINKS will or wont happen
the next step is to test the theory

Not exactly. A theory, in scientific parlance, is defined as a framework of explanations used to address an observed phenomenon.

c’mon dude thats 6th grade stuff right there

Precisely; that’s why I’m a little shocked you’re unaware of it.

now observing simply states that its there

…Yup.

thats not science

Observation is part of the scientific process.

a part…but not the part that proves anything
its simply observation

That’s true. Observation is observation.

its how you formulate a hypothesis
the testing has to confirm a theory

That’s also correct; well-done.

what test confims that we come from primeapes?

XD “Primeape” is a Pokemon. And, no, Primeape doesn’t evolve into a human.

establishing a theory doesnt prove facts
nor does it prove the theory

You are going to get around to presenting evidence for your claims at some point, right?

which claims?

About a god existing and so forth.

all you’ve done is ignore the obvious
freewill, the creation of earth, fingerprints, DNA
take your pick
the flood of noah

Let’s go with fingerprints. In what way is the existence of your god necessary to explain the existence of fingerprints?

fingerprints reflect and inteligent designer

In what way?

how throughout the course of humanity each one of us has a personal distinguashable mark
you being here is proof of the lord God

So… how is the existence of your god necessary to account for our fingerprints, according to you?

the fact that he created man with intelligent design

What proof is there of that “fact”?

the fact that your here!
with your own set of prints

How is your god necessary to account for the fact that I’m here and have fingerprints?

no other like you
God created man

Got any evidence of that?

not the other way around
uh…man is here!
lol

How is the existence of your god necessary to account for man’s existence?

we certainly didnt evolve from nothing

Agreed, but what evidence is there that your god exists and created us?

THE FACT…..WERE….HERE

How is the existence of your god necessary to account for that fact?

If we didnt evolve then where did we come from
??

Well… we did evolve. Why, do you have some evidence that we were created in some other way?

and why is admiting that there is a God so difficult to you

Because there’s no evidence that there is a god.

there is no evidence…..NONE that we evolved
and if so then why did it stop?

It didn’t stop. Why would it stop?

why arent humans still evolving into some new creature?

We are evolving, of course.

b/c evolution is false
i cant see how you can honestly belive that

But then, you think that evolution means birds turning into lizards.

in what way and how
i dont think that
thats what your evolution pals teach

Any evolutionary changes taken place over the past few thousand years would have to be pretty minor.   Things like increased resistance to certain diseases, or increased height, to the degree that it’s caused genetically, would be examples.

dude maximus who ruled over rome was 8’6

…In what way is that a rebuttal of anything I’ve said?

and there are thousands of skeletons found of humans over 9 feet tall
you said the average height was growing

I used growing average height, to the degree that it’s due to genetic change, as a hypothetical example of the sort of evolutionary change to humans we could expect to see in the relatively recent past.

average height for a man is around 5’9

Having a lower average height doesn’t mean that there will never be any tall people, anyway.

romans were 8’ft tall!
and that increase in height is only in industrial areas

Eight feet was not the average height for a Roman; sorry.  But this is beside the point.

go to guatamala and show me proof of that
didnt say it was the average I said maximus was 8ft tall

And as I pointed out, that has no bearing on anything I’ve said.  Which Maximus are you talking about, anyway?

people are getting shorter since the fall

Decreasing height would serve as as much an example of evolution as increasing height would.

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Jesus Christ! What is all that crap?

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I expect you to phone in….you dont have to say anything…just listen in
with an honest effort
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I’ll do it if you can provide some evidence of the validity of your claims; you haven’t so far.

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God damn.  Stop spamming me; it doesn’t make me any more likely to follow your suggestions.

grow up!…youre not a child and your going to be held accountable for your actions

I’m happy to be held accountable for my decisions. There’s nothing unjustifiable in rejecting your religion; it’s a decision I’m glad to stand by.

so just make the call…what do you have to lose!
i know…but it saddens me….and the lord more
he loves you…more than I ever could…and this is what im suppose to do…reach out to my brother

Reach out to me with some evidence and we’ll talk.

you dont have to live your life this way
God desires a relationship with you
eternity is a LONG TIME

Please stop talking in bumper stickers.

you wont just rot in the dirt!
youll burn in hell!
forever
constant suffering
wishing you would have lived differently

Ah– well, that makes it easier, then. Even if I did accept the existence of your god, I certainly wouldn’t accept a relationship with him if he tortures people.

i know you care
he’s not there
its your choice
and youre making it now

I know. And I choose to support the conclusion indicated by the evidence. So… there you go.

dont change your mind for me
do it for the lord
and yourself
good deeds dont get you into heaven

All the more reason not to ally oneself with its administrator.

the blood of jesus is your only pass brother
why would i spend all night debating and arguing with you if i thought it was wrong?

Of course you don’t *think* you’re wrong.

your soul has value
you have value

I agree.

there is so much more to life than what you see with you eyes
and what you can feel

What on earth makes you think I’ll be impressed by another string of tired, cliche, unevidenced claims?

im not trying to impress you

If I started going on at you about how you need to rid yourself of your body-Thetans because of Cosmic Lord Xenu, would you find that at all credible, or would it just strike you as a bunch of tiresome hogwash?

i know that dying will be the last thing you ever do

Well, yeah. That goes for everyone.

and that God requires faith of us
you too
dont slap God in the face and patronize him

Your god’s both nonexistent and evil; if he doesn’t deserve to be patronized, who does?

he loves you man….REAL LOVE!
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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.

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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.
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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.
Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.

as i said earlier GROW UP MAN!

Yes! I’ll grow up, dispense with all logic and morality, and devote my time to spamming people on the Internet.

try to have a more mature disposition
if all you took from this is a spamming session then i truly pitty you
*sigh*…i wonder what happened to you that made you this way?
did someone you love die?

Not yet.

did your parents divorce?

No.

were you bullied in school?

No more than most people.

were you molested?

No.

what happened that made you feel the way you do towards god
atheist arent born there made
who made you the way you are?
parents?
teachers?
significant others?
friends?

The fact that there’s no evidence that your god exists is what dictates my position regarding your god’s existence. Sorry to disappoint, but it’s not as if I was born a Christian and someone dropped me on my head and I turned atheist.

????
and when were you old enough to formulate that thought on your own?
and you ask for proof but dont even know what proof you want

Any proof would be acceptable; to rule out some proof arbitrarily would be unfair.

like what?
you dont even know what youre looking for

You’re the one making the claim; yout ell me.

your the one wanting proof
you want something but dont know what it is you want

X) I want people who make claims to be able to substantiate their claims. That’s all.
If someone claimed to me that the Earth was flat, I’d respond in the same way: I’d ask for them to present some proof supporting their claim. That doesn’t mean that I’m looking for proof of the Earth’s flatness, per se. I would just want that person to provide reasonable justification for their statements.

thats a very imature statement

Not really; I think it does a good job of illustrating my position.
Someone makes an apparently unevidenced statement. I respond by asking for evidence.  It’s that simple.

ive been here all night giving you hard facts that you choose not to belive
you just dont want to admit that there is a God that is going to judge you

Why would that bother me?

b/c your a sinner
unforgiven
and that means hell
that bothers you
obeying rules
that bothers you

Ah– well, if there were an evil god like the one you describe, it would dismay me, but I wouldn’t reject belief in him if that belief were evidenced.

no premarital sex
that bothers you

If someone tried to force me to follow unnatural, Puritanical rules on sex that would bother me, sure.

and for you not to belive in god you sure do have alot of adjetives for hime

Well, I don’t believe in Holden Caulfield, but I could describe him at length as well.

thats beside the point…he cant grant you eternal life

My point was that I am capable of describing my impressions of a fictional character in detail. You seemed to be implying that, because I can apply “a lot of adjectives” to your god, that must mean I find the idea of his existence credible somehow.

he didnt die for your sins
he doesnt love you

I like to think I wouldn’t sell my integrity for eternal life. Perhaps I would, but that wouldn’t make it right.

integrity!……thats doing whats right when no ones looking!!!
how is denying God integrity!
thats a shame!

X) I’m definitely not ashamed of it.

would your mother approve?

I don’t think it would affect her one way or the other.

then shame on her as well

That’s nice.

its really not
its sad
i love my children too much to allow them to think, or speak the way you do

Oh, man. You have kids?

the lord blessed me with 2
and 2 foster sons by choice
raised them from birth

That’s disturbing.

and have been blessed
and my children are honor roll students
: )
and creationist
christians

That’s genuinely disturbing to hear.

: )…its a blessing
God favors children
God favors his children
and me….and all who are persecuted for his sake

I would genuinely be less put off if you said you were molesting them.

your words dont bother me
nor do they discourage me
they only make my heart cry for you

Yes, well, if only your heart could cry out a rational justification for the beliefs you’ve brainwashed your children to accept.

Im not the one with the problem my friend
you will ALWAYS carry around an emptiness without
and youre the one who’s brain washed
want me to prove that

Sure, go ahead.

ok…..pay attention now
a man leaves home jogging….
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left and jogs home…..
on his way home he sees two masked men waiting for him
who are the masked men…and why did leave home jogging?
??

I haven’t been given enough relevant information to determine that.

yes you have…i promise
this isnt a trick…just showing you how easy it is to be brainwashed and not know it

Okey-dokey. Please explain how this story demonstrates that I’m brainwashed.

can you answer ?

I have answered.

who were the masked men…and why did he leave home jogging?

I haven’t been given enough relevant information to determine that.

want me to start from the begining?

No; it’s still there.

want the answer?….itll all make sense

Go ahead.

catcher, and a umpire, the man left home jogging b/c he hit a homerun

All right. That was mildly clever.

once your off track in your thinking…people tend to stay that way

That’s just stupid. You asked me a question which I had insufficient information to answer; that’s not proof of brainwashing. I might as well say, “What number am I thinking of?” -“I don’t know.” “It was five! Hahaha, you’re brainwashed!”

your not dumb
your not a bad guy
youve just been missinformed

You are… *monumentally* condescending.

i assure you im not trying to be

Here’s what’s gone on in this conversation so far: you’ve made some outlandish claims about the supernatural, I’ve asked for proof of them, and you’ve responded with a bunch of nonsense about the moon moving away from Earth in some unspecified way that disproves evolution so that proves that the Christian god exists because we have fingerprints. That performance doesn’t give you the right to go all “Aww, poor you! You’re so misguided. : ( ” at this point.

no youve quoted things you’ve heard or read and have never seen for yourself

What’s your argument, now? That you need to see something in person to know that it exists?

i know i dont…there is nothing superior about me.  i dont feel im better than anyone else
i just feel I know the truth

“Feeling” you know the truth isn’t worth anything.

i feel the bible can be backed up completley

Every deluded, fundamentalist moron of every religion “feels” very strongly that they’re right.

and it can

Okey-dokey; go ahead, then.

WWW.DRDINO.COM
WWW.DRDINO.COM
check it out man….
seriously

I’m familiar with that site. Do you want me to rebut every single argument on it for you, of what?

im sure you cant…so dont waste your time
im honestly not interested in debating anymore

No, no, I’m happy to. Would you like me to demonstrate why its claims are wrong? Or did you just want to throw it out there and then run off before I can offer a rebuttal?

i just want your name so I can pray for you by name
if you dont mind

I’m not giving you my name.

im [name] of lafayette Ga
i attend friendship community central
under bishop [other name]
aka church supernatural
our motto is Prayer everywhere
it is focus, center, and culture of the church
and I want to pray for you
i will even if I dont get your name

I’m sure you will. Have fun with that.

and I speak it right now in the name of Jesus that he convicts your heart and speaks to you
I speak clarity into your life
I speak restlessness in your spirit
untill you acknowlege the lord god

Enjoying yourself? X)

i pray that im not out of order in my words
I pray that holy spirit comes to you
that God speaks to you
and moves in your life in an undeniable fashion
and should you continue to ignore him that he has mercy on your soul
I rebuke and bind the attacks of the enemy in your life
and pray that God renews the spirit of your mind
may the lord bless you and keep you
may he lift his countanence upon you

*countenance

may he be gracious unto you
from your rising up to your laying down

*lying

in your going out as well as coming in, in your work as well as your leasure

*leisure

and may he reveal himself to you
may God take over your life

XD Now, that’s a threat if I’ve ever heard one.

we ask this in the name of he that sits most high
non the less than Jesus
amen

“Non” the less?

God will move !
and be considerate with typo’s please

*typos. Bite me.

yet youre still here
your soul longs for Jesus
you! long for Jesus

If! that’s what you need to tell yourself.

thats what im telling you
: )

The smilies really don’t make you any less creepy.

God is going to work in your life….and you wont be able to deny him much longer

You’re finally going to make with some evidence, are you?

and for your sake I will pray
my friend i have given you ample evidence

No, you haven’t. “The moon is moving further away according to this formula I don’t know any of the specifics of, and also I saw this thing on PBS” is not evidence.

and frankly im tired
i have to be up at 6″

X) Well, if you’re through with your self-congratulation, feel free to go.

God loves you man….dont keep him waiting….
: )

Once more: Sorry, but I don’t endorse unevidenced beliefs.

why not?…we are the undecieved
your mind is not in a place to accept truth : )

Sure it is. I’m glad to assess any evidence that’s put before me.

the only worthless thing is your unbelief in the lord
b/c despite it…you will stand before him

Hey, regardless of who’s judging me, I’m glad to take responsibility for my decisions.

you have no idea…

To the contrary; I’m quite familiar with your religion’s mythology.

so even if it means burning in hell for an eternity….thats ok with you

Of course I’m not okay with people being tortured, but I am happy to account for my actions.

and you dont know its mythology…you only HOPE that it is

X) Well, given that that’s what all the evidence indicates, I don’t have to hope hard.

you cant prove that it is
and morality has little to nothing to do with your unbelief

Sure it does. Valuing the truth is necessary for any kind of functional morality.

thats a scapegoat
and a cowardly approach to the issue
you dont know the truth though….your taking someone elses word for it
and probably havent read any of the bible for yourself
your mis informed….and are ok with it

I have read the Bible, though even if I hadn’t I would be able to justify my lack of belief in your god.

you my friend are willingly ignorant

I would only be willingly ignorant if I avoided familiarizing myself with the facts.

you dont know facts
scientfic assumptions

Sure I do; I’m willing to provide evidence for any of my claims.

you cant though….you really cant…you like to pretend you can

Sure I can. I’m not hostile to requests for evidence to substantiate my claims. And I don’t fall back on, “I *feel* it’s true! I have faith!” to justify anything.

i havent said that once : )
i said that he requires faith from us all…but i havent offered that as a reason for anything weve discussed
i feel many christians use that when they just dont know how to answer
2peter asks all christians to be ready to answer and defend there faith in the lord
im doing my part….thats all
faith is required of me…so i dont think its irrational at all
i have faith that oxygen is real…even though I cant see it

X) If you believe in oxygen despite having no evidence that it exists, then your belief is irrational.

well im breathing…so thats good enought for me

That would be evidence, yes.

would you consider oxygen as the breath of life?

Depends what you mean by “breath of life.”

breath that gives life…lol

Well… oxygen isn’t really a “breath,” and it sustains life rather than giving it, so, no.

what do you take in with each breath?

A mixture of gases, one of which is oxygen.

if you dont think theres life in the breaths you take then stop breathing for about 2 mins…lol

Oxygen itself is not a “breath”; your terminology is nonsensical.

oh but do you see how you go out of your way just to disprove any logical assesment i make?
cant you see how this banter is playing out?

No. Your question “Would you consider oxygen as the breath of life” is ambiguous. I’d give most people the benefit of the doubt, but you’re clearly fond of playing semantics, so I can’t.

its humorous to me…..i want to go to bed , but I cant for some reason
I mean you seem reasonably inteligent…yet you deny the obvious and defend idiocracy
even if you felt I was right

X) Are you kidding? Why would I defend a viewpoint I disagree with?

its all about pride now…
to you that is….
see thats the thing you automatically disagree….even if Im right

I’m perfectly happy to agree with you on things that are actually true.

no you’re not…..if the moon is getting farther away from the earth what logical assumption can be made?
that it was closer right?

In absence of contradictory evidence, sure.

thats a very cowardly and vauge statement

If you say so.

you know so

Indeed; there’s nothing more cowardly than employing elementary logic. If I were courageous I suppose I’d just agree to everything you say.

cowardly is offering a vauge response to that logic in an attempt to dispute it

I’m not disputing your assertion exactly, just adding a needed qualifier.

in what way is that “needed”
i know ….do you?

If contradictory evidence emerges, that could alter the certainty of a proposition that might otherwise seem to have been established as certainly true.

I didnt even make a point at that time….and you were attempting to set it up as a false hood
before I even finished…..

Nope; just adding a qualifier.

that comment is not needed
its a yes or no question
agree or disagree

And my answer is a qualified yes.

then if the moon is moving away at a caculated rate would you agree that it is mathmaticly possible to determine how close it was at a giv
given point and time?

If you have all the relevant data, sure.

such as….

You’re the one presenting the scenario; you tell me.

your the one doubting…im trying to cover the basis of the rebuttle
relevant data such as…..

You’re the one presenting the scenario; you tell me. In this scenario, what leads you to think that the moon is receding at a certain rate?

i just want to be thorough b.c im sure you will doubt the end result

Well, go ahead and tell me what data you have that’s led you to draw whatever conclusion it is you’ve drawn.

tell you what?….you said if I have relevant data….would you determine what relevant since youre in doubt?
i have to confirm with you to establish the validtiy of my piont
lets do this b4 we get off topic

Why don’t you just present your evidence, let me rebut it, and then offer your own rebuttal? You know, as opposed to doing a bunch of song and dance in an attempt to head off a rebuttal.

b/c you intergected and challenged…i have to address this b4 i can advance

I didn’t challenge, per se; you asked a question, and I answered it.

at that point yes you did…but you brought into question the relevance of the data…i have to asess what is relevat to you

X) What do I have to do to get you to present your evidence, jab you with a cattle prod? I mean, come on.

listen….i dont have a problem continuing….but everytime I do you immediatley challenge…so this time allow me to be thorough

Go ahead; I won’t interrupt you unless I notice some enormous fallacy on your part.

in relations to moon moving away from the earth at a calculated rate..what constitutes as relevant data so i can be thorough

You’re asking me to provide a complete list of every single thing that could imaginably be relevant to determining the Moon’s movement?

after all you said it
i dont want you denying my posistion once im done saying that its not relevant data or unproving

Well, if your evidence is invalid, I am going to say that it is. There’s not much you can do to stop that.

if i may continue knowing that your on the same page then I will
we have to be on the same page or its pointless

Go ahead.

well if the moon moves away at a caculated rate could you not determine a previous position of the moon mathmaticly

Potentially, sure.

well if the earth is indeed millions or billions of years old then moon would have been attached to the earth based on the rate that it is
currently moving away
now….this disproves the million or billion year theory

Is this no longer a hypothetical, then? Are you claiming to have some evidence to prove that this is true?

which in turn unravells several aspects of evolution
and if evolution is flawed how can anyone state it as fact?

Except, of course, that in reality the Moon’s movement in no way contravenes an old universe.
Thanks for finally getting around to your argument, by the way. And I mean that.

on the contrary it is….b/c mathmaticly its impossible to calculate that movement my millions of years
and no problem man
: )

The moon recedes at a rate of about 3.8 centimeters per year.

theres actually a segment on that on dr.dino com

Yeah, I know.

its titled the age of the earth
there is a vast amount of material on there……being familar with it all is unlikely

Anyway, the rate of the moon’s recession is consistent with the moon being up to ten billion years old, even if we do make the unjustified assumption that it’s always moved the same way and at the same rate that it doesn ow.

no its not….of that im sure

Can you give me any evidence that the moon is moving in… whatever manner you’re claiming it’s moving?

if you’d like to wait Ill get the exact info with sources

I don’t imagine you have any interest in seeing the proof in favour of my claims.

thats ok…give me ten mins or so
ill be right with you…and Ill even let you do the math….: )

(Five minutes pass.)

you still with me?
currently all im finding is the info that disproves the big bang specificly
im still searching for the formula on the moon

All right.

(Thirty minutes pass.)

Hello?

Scientist

Do you know Jesus

Not personally, no.

He is the most important person youl ever meet

I take it you’re claiming that he was the son of a god who sacrificed his life in order to redeem mankind of its sins and that I can only get to Heaven by taking him into my heart etc.?

Well they wrote a book based on him…must of had something special.

If you say so.

So u dont believe in a higher being exist…do you believe we evolved from monkeys ..and yet there is still monkeys in the world

No, I don’t believe we evolved from monkeys.

good because evolution wipes out one specie and forms another…evolution

No; that’s not evolution. Evolution describes changes in allele frequencies in populations over time. Speciation is the branching off of one species from another due to accumulation of these genetic changes.  It’s not necessarily true that the ancestral species will die out while the descendant species persists.

I was talking in sort terms ..same thing just sorter words
shorter words

No. You said that evolution “wipes out one species and forms another.” I pointed out that when a new species forms, the old species isn’t necessarily wiped out.

science show that in place of the species a new is formed and the one that it replaces does becomes extinct

Untrue. After all, if that were the case, every species from which another species has branched would be extinct.

show me a dinasour, or anther species that suppolibly were evolved that still exist

All existent species were formed by evolution, so take your pick.
Oh, you mean a species from which another species has branched?

and Id like to know were u got a phd, or a ba in college

X) This is basic science. You don’t need a PhD to understand it any more than you need a PhD to understand heliocentrism.

yes Id like a species that still exists that are still the same type..I can name 1

Take the Culex pipiens mosquito for instance, the species from which the London Underground mosquito is thought to have derived.

yea, but still a mosquito

Yup. What’s your point?

that one don’t count cause it didn’t evolve into anything

Speciation is evolution.

birds came from dinasours..no more dinasours. closest thing is reptiles. evolution

Evolution is change in allele frequencies in populations over time. One form of life gradually evolving into a completely different form is evolution, but subtler alterations are evolution as well.

bestu go back and redue your report …but good chat…I had fun…but got to get back to my science lab work…thank you

XD Your “science lab work.” Right. I didn’t know they gave people without basic scientific training their own labs.

called good college, they give u a job anywhere…phd buddy study hard you can get there…back to basic for u

X) Yes, maybe if I study hard enough I can completely unlearn the fundamentals of biology.

is evolution theory or fact…and what it have to do with biology..im a scientist not a doctor..I make more money

If you were a professional scientist, you’d know that in scientific parlance “theory” and “fact” are not mutually exclusive.

everything in science is based on theory until proven other wise..in which becomes fact..

Honestly…  If you’re going to pretend to be a professional scientist, at least learn the basics. A theory, in scientific parlance, is a framework of explanations used to address an observed phenomenon.
Something can be both an established fact and a “theory” in the scientific sense. Take the theory of gravitation, for instance.

take the theory of black hole or of an atom…one has been turned to fact…other isn’t fact it is just a basic theory..I can have a theory

XD Please listen. This will help you in future attempts to pretend to be a scientist.

about how fast someone is going to drive a car..but until it happens it don’t become fact

“Theory,” in scientific jargon, does not necessarily denote uncertainty. As I pointed out, the theory of gravitation is well-established, as is the germ theory of disease and so forth. You’re using “theory” in the colloquial sense, not in the scientific sense.

if u travel a mile at light speed, theory has it time stands still for u while everyone ages..hasn’t been proven fact yet..its just an idea..

So, are you a research scientist? What field do you work in?

theory is just an idea someone has…and want to try it out..real science
if Im on, at home and I see you on…be more than happy to continue this confersation. with u.

What field do you work in?

classified

…Uh-huh.

back

My name is Legion

Jesus died for the sins of the world.

Hi.

Jesus died to give the world a second chance.

Jesus didn’t die for my sins.

Silence demon.

XD Oh, my.

What is your name.

[Name]. What’s yours?

[Name], you will be silent now, for i rebuke you

X) No, I will be silent when I choose to, regardless of your “rebuke.”

It is not I who rebuke you.

But… you just said “I rebuke you.” XD

You will be silent

La la la. No, I can still talk.

No, the Dragon will be cast into the pit
It is your God who has failed

I don’t have a god.

You are a liar.

Got any evidence to substantiate that accusation, or…?

What is your name

It’s still [name]. Yours?

Im not speaking to [name], i am speaking to the person

I am a person. Hello.

How long have you been like this?

“Like this” signifying what exactly?

Why are you doing this?

What, denying your religion?

I deny nothing….Why are you doing this

What are you referring to by “this”? My denial of your religion?

I have no religion.
Why are you doing this?

What are you referring to by “this”?

I see the demons in you…..are you under the impression that your acting on your own will?

Sure.

Why do you live in fear?

I wouldn’t say that I live in fear.

But you do.

If you say so.

I am not speaking to [name]. So be silent

If you’re speaking to someone else, why do you keep messaging me?

is [name] only one person?

Yup. I am a person.

Well [name], im truly sorry for what you have let yourself become.

XD Yes, it’s a truly awful fate not to be a member of your particular religious sect.

But at least my Spirit is free.

So, where were you going with all this?

It dosen’t matter, its not something i can do yet.

Okey-dokey.

You can’t win though, i hope you realize this.

I don’t think that “winning” really applies to this conversation. I mean, I’m being entertained; that’s about as close to “winning” as I can get in this situation, I think.

Farewell… it is too late for you.

In chair we trust

have you been forgiven?

Am I to assume you’re referring to being forgiven by Jesus for my sins?

jesus
the son of god

I don’t believe that Jesus was the son of a god, or that one should ask him for forgiveness of one’s sins, or any of that, no.

then who was he

Just some guy, presumably.

can’t agree with that. I know him to be true

Okey-dokey. What evidence do you base that judgment on?

He is inside of me in everything I do. I know I am never alone. He encourages me whenI’m down and lifts me up when I’m weak

So you base this belief in a general impression of your god’s existence, but not on any specific, testable evidence.

They are finding more and more proof that the bible is real therefore God is real everyday. Just look at the Exodus proof they had foryears and didn’t know it

And what proof exactly are you claiming there is for your god’s existence?

The proof is that everything in the Bible is real, truth , fact. Everyday they prove the bible is a historical fact which makes God real.
Plus I feel him in every inch of my being

XD Oh, that could so easily be misinterpreted.
Anyway, what evidence are you presenting as proof of your god’s existence?

the evidence is that you are here and I am here at this exact moment. We didn’t come from apes and we don’t exist just to become dirt

How does the fact that you and I exist prove the existence of the Christian god?

What’s the point of living if you just die

X) I’ll address that question after you’ve addressed mine.

the phrase christian comes from man. My Gods real name is I AM
Jehovah, Yahweh all mean the same thing

So… now that we’ve got your god’s aliases straightened out, can you please show me some evidence?

but they mean the same thing. Can you say that it feels good to help people or do you prefer to hurt
I do have evidence but you can’t see it. You are trying to understand the mind of GOD

XD Sorry, but “They found some archaeological evidence I can’t tell you anything about! The Bible is true. We didn’t come from apes. What’s the point of living if you just die?” is not evidence of a god.

a building can’t understand his maker

And now the bad analogies begin.  No, a building can’t understand its maker because a building can’t understand anything because a building has no nervous system.
But, to answer your earlier question, I prefer to promote benefit than to promote harm.

you can thank adam and eve for that

X) I shall, immediately after I’ve finished thanking Hansel and Gretel for getting rid of the witch.

you know good from evil

I am able to discern good from evil fairly effectively, I think.

as a matter of fact do you really believe that there is no God

I don’t believe that there’s a god, no.

but you have faith

Not in the sense that I, as a policy, endorse beliefs on the basis of something other than evidence in their favour, no.

you stroke the keys without worrying if the words will come out. Do you hold the chair everytime you sit?

You seem to be mixing up believing in things with evidence with believing in things without evidence.

You have faith that a piece of wood or metal or plastic will hold you up everytime

If that’s what you want to call “faith,” then, yes, though that’s not the way the word is generally used in the context of religion.

thats just it there is no proof that everytime you sit in a chair that it will hold you up

Sure there is.

I’m sure you have seen chairs break before

Yup. If I were to be absolutely certain that the chair would not break, that would be irrational; I wouldn’t endorse that belief.

You are answering your own question. Why sit in a chair if you don’t personally check it everytime you sit in it

Because the evidence indicates that it will almost definitely support me.

there is no evidence if you don’t check it

Yes, if I’d never made any observations relevant to the way chairs behave, I wouldn’t have a basis for that conclusion. Luckily, however, since birth I’ve been able to make observations of chairs and of other objects possessing the same properties as chairs.

that is your reason for not believing in God

You know, I get into lots of these conversations, and I honestly I can’t think of what to say to that.

well other people tell you that a chair is safe to sit on
other people in the bible tell me my God is real

Yes. And if I believed that chairs were safe purely on that basis, I would be an idiot.

research is nothing but what other people say

I have observed the way chairs behave and the way objects sharing the properties of chairs behave. This is what forms the basis of my expectations re: the behaviour of chairs. A way I can test these expectations is to sit in chairs repeatedly. If my expectations are confirmed reasonably consistently by this test, that reinforces– totally rationally and with no faith required– the hypothesis that chairs are generally trustworthy for sitting in.

you choose to have faith in a powerless chair and not an all powerful God
you can try God right now too. Just believe

All right; provide me with proof that your god exists and I will believe.

you don’t go through all that to have a seat. Faith is as easy as that

Of course I do. If I knew nothing of the way chairs might behave, I would feel compelled to gather that information before sitting.

do you check your clothing too. because, thread is not strong enough to hold clothing together

No, but if I had no prior knowledge of the properties of thread or thread-like objects, I would.

no reasoning or evidence that suggests that thread can do what it does

Sure it does. We can observe the properties of thread all around us. We can test the properties of thread just as we can the properties of any other physical thing.

but the scientific facts of thread doesn’t support your observation

If observation consistently contravenes a “fact,” then one should reassess that “fact.”

scientists have already proven that thread is not strong enough to hold clothes together. It has baffled the scientific world for ever

XD Okay. Are you positive you’re not a troll? If so, I congratulate you on your technique.

yet you put clothes on with out worrying. You have faith
Use the same faith you use to sit down and dress and believe in God

If my observations led me to believe that my clothes would fall apart, I would have that expectation. However, since copious observations have confirmed that clothes generally stay together, that is what I expect.

your proof is only visual then. And nothing is what it looks like.

X) “Only” visual? Which sense do you consider to be the proper one by which to absorb evidence?

but there are so many more things in life that you take for granted

What’s your argument, anyway? “You believe stuff for no reason, so you should believe the stuff I believe for no reason for no reason”?

for example do you know how easy it is to die

I realize that death can come suddenly and unexpectedly, yes.

if you have no faith, how do you by groceries, or shower, wash clothes, walk, sleep, without worrying about death

Because, using basic logic, I’ve determined that the odds of my dying randomly at any given moment are quite low.

not so really the only thing low is getting struck by lightning. but there are still millions of things in your house that can kill you

Yes, it’s possible to die in many ways, but the odds of an individual dying in a given second are generally low.
If the odds are so high, how is it that the average lifespan is so long? By your assertion, life should only last a few minutes on average.

you are going by what man says again. Man has no basis to prove anything considering that they haven’t created anything

Humans have created all kinds of things, obviously, though I’m not particularly interested in arguing that point.  So, are you assessing that estimates of the average lifespan are incorrect, and that the average lifespan is only a few minutes long?

I’ll finish this convo later
so what do you think

What do I think? I think you’re either the second coming of Brick Tamland or a very effective troll.

nothing that lives unless you consider childbirth and what really happens then
chairs and clothing

you think people was made of apes and gorillas????!!!!!!!!!!!

JESUS IS ALL

Jesus is all what?

JESUS IS ALL THERE IS

Well, that’s obviously not true.

what do you believe

What do I believe about what?

JESUS

Jesus was just some guy. Perhaps he was a religious leader, but he didn’t bring people back to life.

YOU ARE NOTHING you say jesus isnt real God shall punish all that says such things
God shall cast you to hell you shall be put on the chains of darkness each day YOU WILL SUFFER FOR WHAT U HAVE SAID

XD Calm down there, Sparky.

scream and yell saying im a sinner and i need help God shall forgive all as shall Jesus Christ and the holoy ghost
spelled holy wrong

Why should I ask forgiveness of a god who’s clearly less moral than I am?

God has created all the ground, water you drink, the food you eat. without god no life shall come upon earth

So what? That doesn’t change the fact that your god is utterly amoral.

moral is not a object or thing no matter what moral we are still the same

You don’t believe it’s better to help people than it is to harm them?

i do beleive ive help the poor, the homless, and suicidle.if you beleive and worship another god then that is a great sin

If you believe that it’s good to help people, why would you worship a god who murders and tortures people?

give thanks to our lord of lords and king of kings for Jesus giving up his life to save all sins
a great sacrafice something to say thanks
he came back to life as if the holy spirit gave him life

Do you have any proof that any of that is true?

the cross still stands of where Jesus was killed it is said in the bible our guide to the lords plan

So… there’s a wooden cross somewhere, and that proves that an omnipotent spirit created and oversees the Universe.

correct but it isnt somewhere it is in isreail
i think thats right i need to read over the bible

First off– no, the cross that Jesus was crucified on is not still standing.
Secondly– even if it were, that wouldn’t prove that the Christian god exists.

THEN HOW DO YOU THIK WE ARE HERE you think people was made of apes and gorillas????!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean think

…No, I don’t think we were made of apes and gorillas, but we do share common ancestors with apes and gorillas.

THEN WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE GORILLAS COME FROM!!!!!!!!

What species of gorillas there are now evolved from ancestral species of primate.

im asking you of why our ancester are apes and gorillas!!!!!!

I didn’t say our ancestors were apes and gorillas; I said that have common ancestors with apes and gorillas.

explain why you think that then

Because all evidence indicates that all life on Earth derived from a common ancestor. Assuming you accept that, it wouldn’t make sense to say that humans and gorillas somehow originated independently. Besides, we share almost all of our DNA with and bear a strong phenotypical resemblance to these species; a creationist model would be hard-pressed to account for that.

how did these primates came to earth then

They would have evolved from ancestral species, and so on.

how could these apes became on earth then

They would have evolved from ancestral species. You know, evolution. Everything on Earth is descended from a common ancestor, therefore the answer to “Where did that species come from?” is going to be “It evolved from another species,” aside, of course, from the first lifeform produced by abiogenesis and artificially-produced organisms.

YOU shall learn the true ways and when your in hell you wont have time to pray to God and admit your a sinner and you beleive cuase you will be tortured in the fire pit of hell and cry tears of blood that you wished to be saved and you spend your life in hell forever

Who would want to worship a god who does that?

THEN WITCH GOD DO YOU BELEIVE IN THEN

I don’t believe in any gods.

God is not wrong he punishes the evil and nonchristians such as you and give christians Life and power in heaven

Only an evil god would torture someone for their beliefs.

you do not understand a thing of what im saying for i am a prophet

I understand what you’re saying; it’s just that what you’re saying is nonsense. No one who supports human liberty would worship the god you describe.

im sorry you wont be devoted to chirstanity all your life in hell all my life in heaven God bless your heart

XD Bite me, you pompous hypocrite. You worship a god who’s both imaginary and evil; you don’t have much justification for taking the moral high ground.

what is your name in real life is it adam is it sally or are you just the devil himself

You believe that the Devil champions rationality, compassion, and liberty?

THE DEVIL IS EVIL AND TRYS TO KILL GOD YOU BELEIVE IM NT A CRISTIAN
God is n evil I TOLD YOU HE PUNISHES EVIL AND GIVES TO THE GOOD
I mean not

Your god obviously doesn’t promote good; remember, he tortures people for eternity for refusing to accept a completely unevidenced proposition.

EVIL/HELL GOOD/HEAVEN

Yes, you’re very good at arranging words with slashes between them; I can see that. Seriously, though. You believe in a god (who there’s no proof even exists) who murders and tortures billions. How can you justify that to yourself?

FOR THE LAST DA** SHI** FUC**** TIME HE PUNISHES EVIL AND GIVES TO THE GOOD DA**MIT

Then you must believe that reason and compassion are evil.

NOOOOOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IM A CHRISTIAN YOUR NOT YOUR A FUC**** RETARD

X) I’m not retarded enough to believe something without evidence.

I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL
RENCARNATION ISNT REAL >:O

Well, there’s one thing we agree on.

soon you shall understand
in the the lord jesus christ and and the holy ghost i cammand you to quit saying i worship the devil

I never said you worshiped the devil, just that the god you worship is evil.

AND i also cammand you in God, Jesus Christ, and the holy spirit you quit saying God is evil

Your god is evil.

I CAMMAND YOU TO SILENCE

Hrm.  No, I can still talk.
Your god doesn’t seem to be coming through for you.

You shall never find love you shall never be happy AND YOU SHALL BE KILLED AND CAST UPON HELL ON THE CHAINS OF DARKNESS

Er… I already have experienced love and happiness, sorry. You, on the other hand, apparently lead such a frustrating and pointless existence that you feel compelled to scream at strangers about how they should be murdered.

then your love shall be banished away from you without beleiving in God nothing good happens im wasting my time
im blocking you!!!!!!!!
>:’O no matter how hard i try i cant get non beleivers in t the greatest religion
the religion of the lord the one who created all

Your religion is just one of thousands. It’s popular for the moment, but, like all popular religions, it will eventually fade away.
At any rate, if you want to convince people that your religion is the most enlightened, shrieking about torture may not be the best approach.

FOR MY REAL NAME IS Garret witch means in my religion Gods warrior

So what? My name means “remembered of god”; it’s just a name.

AND YOU are nothing without God your a nonbeleiver God is not proud of you

I wouldn’t seek your god’s approval any more than I would seek Hitler’s approval.

if you change your ways of mind and beleive in the lord mail me my address [email address]

Sorry, but the only thing that could convince me to accept the truthfulness of your worldview would be evidence of its truthfulness.

but i dont beleive you wont devote to christianity for now i block

Jesus loves youh

Jesus died for youh

That sounds like a poorly-considered decision on his part.

??

I mean, I certainly wouldn’t want anyone to be tortured and executed on my behalf. And anyway, the idea of someone taking responsibility for someone else’s decisions is just absurd.

I pray for your forgivness, Honestly….

I don’t seek your god’s forgiveness.

Youh should beh so enlightened by thah fact our Lord has Mercy for ppl like youh..

Why should I care? Your god’s forgiveness– even if he did exist– is not something that I would seek.

What do youh plan 2 do when he is facing youh with all of his glory? and he asks 1 simple question… “With all i have given you, Why have you forsaken me?”

If that happened, I would probably say something along the lines of, “I forsook you because you were a deranged, perverse tyrant. I forsook you because I don’t make it a practice of devoting myself to mass murderers.”

???? ppl like youh piss meh off, the world is PERFECT with water, air, food, light, darkness. EVERYTHING we need 2 survive and youh
Dont believe there is ah higher power watching over us?

There’s no evidence of a higher power watching over us.

Ignorant shit
That makes no damn sense at all…..

I reject the belief because there’s no evidence that it’s true; it’s that simple.

No evidence?!? Than do some research youh blind monkey< unevolved with ignorance…

Can you provide me with even a single example of this evidence you seem to think is so plentiful?

They even found the ark of the convenant, what more do youh need?

Which alleged finding are you claiming is the real one?

God wont reveal himself until the end days because he does not want a bunch of mindless zombies fallowing him, every1 who is behind him f
Fallow him out of free will…

Believing something rationally doesn’t negate free will.

Your so hard headed

I value reason.

Sure youh do..

You yourself seem to admit that there is not sufficient proof that your god exists to justify belief in him.

Tell meh when i said thatt….
Thought so…

“God wont reveal himself until the end days because he does not want a bunch of mindless zombies fallowing him, every1 who is behind him f
Fallow him out of free will…”

Dont put words in mah mouth i know what i know and youh r stubburn n hard headed, i pray youh find your way for without God your already

Instead of praying, why don’t you show me some evidence that your claims are true?

That does not mean proof does not exist..

So you are claiming that proof exists, are you? Go ahead and show me an example of it, then.

Beh saved, its all thah “examples” youh will ever need…

So you’re saying that I need to commit to belief in your god before proof will become apparent? That’s absurd.

All throughout time a sort of “God” has been recorded, obviously somthing more powerful than us is out there
Youh never find what youh dont look for, as youh abandon him he abandons youh. Once youh deny thah Holy spirit… Its thah only sin that
Wont beh forgiven, so all i have 2 say is Lord have Mercy on your son for he knows not what he says..

Failing to believe in something that there’s no reason to believe in is not a “sin.”

No Its ppl like youh that r sin! devils work in progress, i look forward 2 seeing youh on thah battlefeild after armegeddon

XD You’re ridiculous. You can’t provide even one shred of evidence that your claims are true. You’re not making a serious effort to convince me; you just keep repeating your claims over and over and telling me how terrible it is that I don’t believe them. On some level, beyond all your shouting about sin and the devil, you must at least suspect that you’re wrong.

Not even a small doubt…..
Oh and just so youh know, scientist have proof of Gods existance, Im unclear of thah wareabout of the location buh its a museum dedicated

Can you refer me to this proof?

Do your own research youh lazy shit youh claim God does not exisit there is no proof, than proof 2 meh that he does not exisit

Trying to prove your points for you is not “my research”; sorry. Would you consider it valid if I said, “Scientists in lab coats have proven that god doesn’t exist! I won’t show you this proof, or tell you anything about it, though. Go find the proof yourself, don’t be lazy”?

Your thah one fighting thah lost cause, Not meh…

X) Yes, “lost” except for the fact that all available evidence is consistent with my position.

Wow, so stuburn. This conversation is over, God Bless Youh With Mercy and Love