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Archive for October, 2010

A hippo is not a sign!

hello

Hi.

do you accept Jesus Christ as your lord n savior?

No.

Then you are goin to rott in hell

Got any evidence that that’s true?

ask god for a sign that he is real and you will see or tho shalt be smite to the ground and rott in hell

Okey-dokey. GOD! IF YOU ARE REAL, PLEASE MAKE A HIPPOPOTAMUS APPEAR IN FRONT OF ME WITHIN THE NEXT THIRTY SECONDS.

not like that you ahole

Like how, then?

a hippo is not a sign dude think of somthing better u athiest

What’s wrong with a hippopotamus? I’d find it quite convincing, myself.

think of somthing else likei dont no somthing practcal

Okay. GOD! IF YOU ARE REAL, PLEASE MAKE A FORMULA FOR CREATING THE CURE FOR AIDS APPEAR IN FRONT OF ME WITHIN THE NEXT THIRTY SECONDS.
He didn’t do it. I suppose your god is a bust.

god help your troubled soul

Hey, you said he’d send me a sign if I asked for it. I asked for two and he failed to send me either.

he didnt fail he has alot to do u will eventually gret somthing just be patient my brother

“He has alot to do”? He’s omnipotent! Even an infinite amount of work wouldn’t be a lot to do for an omnipotent entity. So why does your god consistently fail to provide requested signs?

he does not and your cause has crumbeled for you belive god is all power full all present and all knowing

XD I do not believe that your god is all-powerful, all-present, or all-knowing. Sorry.

bull yes you do

How can you claim to know that I secretly believe something which I deny by all my statements and actions?

you will rott for the rest of your life and wen rapture comes that will be the biggest sighn you can have so f off

XD Wow, you’re so compassionate, peaceful, and Christ-like! I’ll bet Jesus is proud of you.

shut up im not not going to hell and im trying to spred the message any way possible so yea he is proud that i am at least trying

If what you claim is true, why can you provide no proof for it?

becuse my proof is somthing you claim was forged by money

I haven’t claimed that anything was “forged by money” in the course of this conversation.

im done with you


A perfect circle

JESUS IS LOVE

How do you know?

IT IS TRUE. JESUS IS REAL

Yes, I acknowledge that the Jesus popularly conceived was probably originally inspired by an actual person, but how can you claim to know anything specific about that person? Even as relatively well-documented and recent characters as Shakespeare are somewhat sketchy. Hell, Jesus could have been gay for all we know.

NO HE WAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know?

BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE!!!

It says in the Bible that Jesus was straight?

JESUS IS GODS SON HE WAS SENT TO THE EARTH TO DIE ON THE CROOS

Why does that mean he had to have been straight?

HE NEVER SINNED

And why does that mean he had to have been straight?

DO YOU EVEN BELIVE IN 7 DAY CREATION

No.

YOU THINK WE CAME FROM THIS LITTLE CHIMICEL THAT SOME HOW MAGICILLAY TURNED INTO A HUMAN

No.

THEN HOW WHERE WE CREATED ? I ALREADY KNOW

If you already know, then why ask?

NO I MEAN HOD DO YOU THINK WE WERE CREATED

The human species evolved from a similar, ancestral form of primate.

LOL OK FIRST OF NO AND SECOND OF ALL WE WHERE CREATED BY GODS IMAGE DO REALLY THINK SOME APES JUST TRUNED IN TO OTHER ANNIMALS AND HUMANS!

No, I don’t think that any species has “just turned” into another. Why don’t you learn what evolution is before you start critiquing it?

I DO KNOW WHAT IT IS THIS IS ALL IM GOING TO TELL YOU EXEPT JESUS CHRIST IN TO YOU HART AND GROW CLOSER TO GOD IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS IM SORRY
BUT YOU WILL GO TO HELL AND I TOLD YOU BUT YOU DIDNOT LISTEN

I am listening. However, claims made without evidence are worth nothing. If you could prove to me that what you’re saying is true, then I would be converted. But you have presented no proof.

WELL I M SORRY BUT IF YOU DO NOT BECOME A CHRISTIAN AND EXEPT JESUS THEN HE WILL SEND YOU TO HELL IM TELLIN YOU
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU WILL GO WHEN YOU DIE?

There’s no reason to suppose that anyone “goes” anywhere after they die.

WELL I NO WHERE PEOPLE GO ETHIER THEY GO TO HELL OR TO HEAVEN WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO?

Honestly, neither the Christian Hell nor the Christian Heaven sounds all that great.

THOSE ARE THE CHOICES HEAVEN IS WHERE YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT SING TO GOD THERE WILL NO MORE SUFFERING THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN JESUS WILL COME

To know that billions of people were being tortured would be suffering for me, if not for you.

ANY WAY DO YOU WANT TO BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY OR LIVE IN HEAVENLY PEACE WITH GOD

I wouldn’t find Heaven peaceful if I had to live in the company of a psychotic tyrant who was, at that very moment, having people tortured.  All in all, I think I’d choose torture over being someone who’s okay with infinite torture.

HE DOES NOT TORTURE THEM HE GIVES THEM TO SATAN THE DEVIL AND HE TORCHERS THEM BECAUSE THEY SINNED AGAINST GOD !!!

He has them tortured. It’s not like Hitler killed anyone with his bare hands; does that mean that Hitler is not guilty of murder?

YOU SEE IF YOU SIN GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU IF YOU ASK FORGIVNESS OF HIM

Why should I ask forgiveness of someone who’s clearly amoral? If anything, your god should ask humanity’s forgiveness.

OK HERE IS THE BIG PICTURE IF YOU WHERE GOD AND THERE WHERE PROPLE THAT LOVE YOU AND WOULD YOU LET THEM IN YOUR HOME? BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD AND KILL YOUR PEOPLE AND BE BAD AND DISOBEY YOU!

I wouldn’t torture any of them. Besides, it’s not like I’ve killed anyone, and yet you claim I’m going to Hell.

WOULD YOU LET THEM IN YOUR HOISE

If I disliked them I probably wouldn’t let them into my house, but I wouldn’t have them tortured either. If my only choices were between torturing them infinitely and letting them into my house, I’d probably let them into my house.

IM DOIN TALKING TO YOU BUT I WARNED YOU IT SEEMED YOU WHERE NOT ON GODS LIST IM SORRY I CANT CONVIENCE YOU GOOD BYE I DOIN TALKING TO YOU!!!

Can you give me any proof that what you’re saying is true?

IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE

The Bible’s just a book like any other. What makes the Bible any more true than the Qu’ran?

well if you dont belive the bible then i have trully lost you as a christian i will leave the reast to GOD HE WILL FINISH

Do you really think that it’s right to torture people for eternity?

IM DONE STOP TALKING TO ME JUST BE AWARE THERE WILL BE TRIEBLE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN COVERSAITION OVER!!!!!!!

Why do you worship someone who tortures and murders people? It’s a simple question.  If you’re going to worship someone, why not worship a person who actually does good works?

HE DOES NOT TORTURE PEOPLE AND I WORSHIP HIM BECAUSE HE LOVED ME BEFORE I LOVE HIM!

He has people tortured, though. He could save them if he wanted, but he doesn’t.

BECAUSE FIRST OF YOU GUYS NEVER ASKED HIM TO HELP YOU!!!!

And that justifies his having people tortured for eternity?

YES IF YOU DONT WANT TO GO TO HELL THEEN PRAY TO HIM CAN I HAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER?

If your god tortured your mom and your dad in horrible agony and suffering until the end of time, you’d be okay with that?

YES AND MY PARENTS ARE CHRISTIANS AND I LOVE GOD AND CARE MORE FOR GOD THEN MY PARENTS GOD IS MY 1 PRIORITRY

Do you think that murdering and torturing are good things?

NO

Then why do you love a murderer and a torturer more than your own parents?

GOD IS ALL RIGHTEOUS IF YOU WANT YOUR QUESTIONS SOLVED GET OUT A BIBLE AND JUST OPEN IT UP YOU WILL FIND OUT WHAT GOD I S TRYING TO SAY TO U
I AM DONE I GIVE YOU TO GOD!!!!

If your god is all-righteous, why does he commit so many atrocities?

MY GOD IS RIGHT SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

Yes, I have a question. How do you know that your god is right?

THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO

How do you know that the Bible is right?

BECAUS PEOPLE WITNESSED THE EVENTS OF THE BIBLE

Which events are you thinking of?

WHEN JESUS RAISED LAZERUS FROM THE DEAD!!

And who can you prove witnessed that?

WELL OFCORASE WHO EVER SEEN THIS WITNEES RIT IT DOWN AND PASSED IT DOWN AND SLOWLY ALL THE SCRIPTURE CAME TOGETHER

So your proof that what the Bible says is true is that people witnessed its events, and your proof that people witnessed its events is that the Bible says so.

YES

You see that that’s circular logic, don’t you? You’re claiming that the Bible proves itself.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE THE BIBLE THEN I HAVE LOST YOU I AM DONE WITH YOU I GIVE YOU TO GOD


Me of little faith

time is running out!  the day is fast coming when all men must choose where they will spend eternity…  have you made the right choice?

Save it; I’m not a Christian.

what has led you to reject the word of God?

Obviously I don’t believe that the doctrines of Christianity are the word of a god.

fool…Heaven is all around us…the devil just blinds our eyes with gred..manipulation…vanity!…poor soul…WAKE UP!

Can you show me proof that any of what you’re claiming is true?

If you ask the worlds top scientisit..astro physicists…molecular engineers..bioligists..etc
they will all agree that in order for thi toex there must be an “intelligent designer”
they just dont want to call it GOD

X) Except, of course, that that’s demonstrably untrue.

no…thats a fact..the further down the path of science they walk…the more they conclude..GOD IS REAl

Gallup studies show that over 99% of American biologists reject “intelligent design” creationism.  Also, highly qualified scientists are more likely to be atheistic than people in the general population, though I don’t know the exact figure off the top of my head.

false

One sec; let me find the documentation.

your documentation means nothing…I have met the LIVING JESUS…one day you will see!

XD So you don’t actually care what the evidence suggests, then?

its not evidence..its opinion

Documentation of objectively verifiable phenomena is opinion?

remeber…’science’ was created by man to justify his existance in a vain attempt to control his world
just like the clock on the wall…it tells us when to get up…go to bed and go to work…
but it is nothing more then a man made invention used to control a collective consciousness
10:23 pm doesnt exist…you just think it does..SLAVE1
WAKE UP!

I’ll accept your claims as soon as you provide proof for them, thanks.

look at the clock on the wall…and think about it…

Sure, I recognize that our system for measuring time is just an artificial framing device.  That doesn’t prove that the Christian god exists.

FOOL!

He who says “thou fool” shall be in danger of hell fire.

just lijke diamonds…this devilish system has us all spending huge amoubts of money on something that isnt evn valuable!
diamonds arent even rare…THEY ARE CONTROLLED!
carbon…in its purist form!
look at the merri-go-round and how kids reach for the brass ring…not even valuable

XD Wait, so… you’re saying that the fruits of scientific advancement aren’t valuable because they’re kept in artificially short supply?  What are you saying?

much like this system…we spend our lifes reachibng for things that dont mean or arent worth shit
Im saying things man distorts and places in the minds of others to perpuate a crime filled…lustful…greedy vain society is the work of Satan
I saw him in the flesh too!!
WAKE UP BROTHER….time is running out!…

I’ll accept your claims as true as soon as you provide proof for them.

ye of little faith!

Yup. I actually demand evidence to justify my beliefs. Shame on me.

your mind is too closed. I have done all I can


1+1=?

WERE U SAYING JESUS ISNT REAL?

Sort of.  I’ve said that Jesus wasn’t god and that Christianity is essentially a lie.

WELL STOP THE BULLSHIT U FUCKER WHAT IS WRONG WITH U! DO U REALIZE THERE IS LYK 2 BILLION CHRISTIANS!

XD So what? Just because there are two billion of you doesn’t make you right.

LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE OK! WHAT IS UR PROBLEM!
SO WHAT!
U DONT KNOW IF ANY RELIGION IS RIGHT!
THERE IS 1 BILLION MUSLIMS! BUT WHO KNOWS THEY COULD BE WRONG, SO STFU MAN!
HAVE SOME RESPECT. IM CHRISTIAN!

Well, I’ll respect you as a human being and help uphold your rights, but I can’t respect a baseless belief.

FUCK U! U DONT DO THAT TO A RELIGION!
go to tell u hell, im sure any religion would agree to put u there
go to hell shithead

Of course not. Not every religion has a Hell.

every religion has a punishment
now stop making fun of the Church, u have no right 2

XD I have no right to?! Are you a fascist? Of course I have a right to make fun of the church.  Everyone has a right to mock any idea they like, religious or secular. It’s called freedom of speech.

UR A DICKHEAD WHAT IS UR PROBLEM

Hey, I’m not the one screaming at a stranger.

its not right to make fun of a religion in that way

Why not? Christianity is a false set of beliefs.  Why is it wrong to make fun of a lie?

listen im only defending what I believe in, what else am I supposed to do! let u keep saying it? NO!
why would u say its a lie, u dont know whats is the truth or not.
we r only human, and dont know the truth

Sure I know what’s the truth. The truth (or the probable truth, anyway) is what the evidence indicates.

whats the evidence?

In this case, it would be a lack of evidence– a lack of evidence that Christianity’s claims are true.

stop saying our religion, all religions have there own views, and they all have something wrong about them, humans change the rules

Yes, all religions have something wrong with them. What’s your point? That doesn’t somehow make Christianity not wrong.

the bible has been manipulated from the truth, by inperfect humans
I neve said we werent wrong. but it is rude for u to make fun of my religion in such ways.

Rude, perhaps, but is it wrong to make fun of a falsehood? Do you believe people should be forced to respect lies– or any assertions, for that matter?

OMG!
its not a lie to many ppl u can believe what u want to believe, just respect other beliefs

I’m sorry, but I don’t respect irrationalities.  And unless you can prove that your religion’s claims are true, I’m not going to respect your religion.  You can’t just demand respect for your beliefs.  No one has that right.

oh really? how can I prove that?

You tell me. You’re the one making the claims, not me.

well im srry, we just both happen to be humans. AND WONT EVER KNOW THE REAL THRUTH!

Sure we can. The truth is what the evidence indicates. The truth is what you can demonstrate.

listen what u believe is the truth for u. and vise versa for me. but u mocking my religion in such disgust is rude.

XD No, there’s no “the truth for you” or “the truth for me.” The truth is objectively true.  1+1=2. That’s true, regardless of what anyone believes.  Or do you seriously believe that the sum of one and one is a matter of opinion?

NO! u will never know the real truth and neither will I

Sure I do. Examining the evidence is all you need to do in order to begin to gain some idea of the true nature of the Universe.

U DONT KNOW THE TRUTH STOP ACTING LIKE U DO! NO ONE IN THIS PLANET CAN SAY THEY DO!
ur evidence is what u believe in! not for others

The evidence that supports my beliefs exists objectively. It’s not a matter of existing “for you” or “for me.”  Fact is fact, regardless of anyone’s opinion.

the evidence if for u. the fact is for u.

Nope. It can be objectively validated.

u cant say ur facts r the truth. as I cant either.

Sure I can.

no u cant!
stop acting like u know the truth, no one will ever know until u die.

I do know the truth. I can demonstrate that my assertions are true in a way that justifies them objectively.

I CAN SHOW MY EVIDENCE AS WELL! SO UR EVIDENCE IS JUST UR BELIEF. U DONT KNOW THE TRUTH.

No, my evidence is not just my belief. My evidence exists objectively.  Otherwise it wouldn’t be evidence.

UR BEING AN IDIOT.

Hey, I’m not the one who thinks that one plus one is a matter of opinion.

my evidence exists objectively also.

All right. If you have objectively verifiable evidence, let’s see it.

MY EVIDENCE IS BELIEVED BY 2/6 OF THE POPULATION OF THE WORLD!

It doesn’t matter how many people believe something. That doesn’t make it true.

it doesnt matter what u believe is true either

Agreed.  What matters is what I can demonstrate to be true.

what u could believe is a lie. so can what I believe, but u dont know if its true.
how dare u say my god. isnt real! what kind of shit is that!

As I’ve already explained, I don’t give respect to irrationalities, and your religious beliefs are irrational.

fine. believe what u want to believe! but leave my religion alone.

No. No one has a right to demand their beliefs be shielded from criticism.

MY GOD IS NOT A LIE. MY GOD CARES FOR THE SICK, AND NEEDY! WHAT DOES UR GOD DO?

XD Can you show me some objectively verifiable evidence that your god exists and that he does all that?

ur facts can be fully proven. CAUSE U DONT KNOW THE TRUTH, ITS ONLY A THEORY
cant*

What’s only a theory?

what is ur belief anyway? SCIENCE?

My belief about what?

ur evidence crap
is it Science u believe in?

I believe in the usefulness of the scientific method, sure.

well good for u. leave my religion alone u piece of shit im blocking u.


Break a leg

the Lord is the creator of all things, let us praise him.

Let’s not.

the Lord created you and gave you breath
The fool has said in his heart, there is no god.

Save it.  I’ve heard all these slogans before.

well then surprise coming your way then…. by the way.. when you break that bone dont ask why…

XD What?!  Jesus is going to have me kneecapped for not following him?

no…. you r master will…

Uhhuh?

well… think about it… you belive Jesus is not your master… so who is??

No singular person is my “master.” Unless I count myself, of course.

Your master said the same thing to God…..

According to the mythology of your religion, sure.

I dont have a religion buddy… I am just a servant…

Mhm.  So, do you have any evidence that your claims are true, or…?

the world God created is your proof… evolution cannot explain molecular complexity…

Of course it can’t. Evolution addresses changes in alleles in populations of organisms.  If you want something to explain “molecular complexity,” it’s physics or chemistry, not evolutionary biology.

same thing… physics is just advanced biology… so is every other sience..

Physics is just advanced biology? Really? So physics is a branch of the study of organic life?  Tell me, is chiropractry an advanced form of calligraphy?

every thing we learn in this world is part of a deeper understanding of this life… its all connected…

Can you show me some evidence of your god’s existence, or not?

Yes… there is Tons of proof in the world… and tons to proof the bible in Isreal… but its kept hidden..

All righty. Please present to me some of this proof.

if it was not hidden then how can we learn to accept God through faith??… we wont need faith..

And I take it you believe that “faith” (e.g. belief without evidence) is a good thing for some reason.

Its all about Faith young man… Without Faith you will never have a fulfilled life… Find Faith and youl find the proof..

I take it that you can’t actually present any evidence to justify your claims, then.

You should start using reason… use it to find faith…

To abandon the responsibility to justify beliefs with evidence is to abandon reason.

If I presented you with evidence today.. you wont need faith then will you… you will be as stupid as the early jews that saw the miricales..

Correct; I don’t need faith. One should only endorse assertions that are justified by evidence.

So you see yourself now… its not about wheather God exists.. its about weather you want faith… if not good luk..

It’s about whether I’m willing to abandon rationality, yes. And I’m not. Why should I be?

wrong.. never abondon reason… rather use reason to find the truth about weather God exists… If God wanted robots as servants you’ll be….
brainless and without will

Sure, I have used reason. And reason dictates that assertions that have no supporting evidence should be discarded.  I hardly think that giving people proof of the truth would turn them into robots, though.

Indeed!! very correct!!! So why you believe evolution??? you ever tried to find the prooof or truth??

I believe in the theory of evolution because it’s justified by the available evidence.

when you find the truth you will find faith..

Another claim which you can’t justify, naturally.

Thats a lie… there is no evidence… its all theory my young friend… thats the big lie!!

XD Except for the fact that there is plenty of evidence. Would you like me to refer you to some of it?

Evolution is a theory by charles Darwin… there has never been proof… but we are made to believe there is proof in chools… these none..
please tell me about the truth…

Are you interested in seeing the proof or not? And, yes, I know that Darwin coined the theory. X)

where is your evidence??

Well, there’s a pretty comprehensive, layman-friendly archive of it here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
But I assume you’d prefer I relay it to you personally.

There is not one meuseum with even one piece of evidence…. not on this planet…

Take, for instance, the way fossils are stratified. Evolution accounts for this in a way that no competing theory does.  Take the way viral DNA is present in different evolutionary branches, distributed in a way consistent with what evolutionary theory predicts.  Hell– here’s a simple fact: chimps and humans share about 99% of their DNA.  If you believe the two species were created independently, how do you account for that?

its not important what I can proof to you… but that you take the time to find out if the proof of evolution is actualle there…

Trust me, I’m about as familiar with the proof of evolution as any layman.

I am no Layman… I studie evolution for 20 years…

XD Wow.  I had no idea you were a professional scientist.

only to find its all hogwash… rubbish.. my lifes work was a lie..

You’re either a liar, a lunatic, or a moron.

I will pick lunatic….. there honor in being a lunatic..

Say, what about the Lenski bacteriological experiments? If you’re an expert on evolution, surely you’re familiar with them.  How exactly do you rebut the fact that they clearly record the evolutionary emergence of a citrate-consuming trait in E. coli?

how does the study of e-coli proof that DNA of an animal can turn into human DNA>>>

But humans do share almost all of their DNA with non-human animals! This is a basic fact. I thought you were an expert! XD  I feel so disillusioned.

Human DNA is shared with nothing… the human DNA chain is more complexed than any other chain in existance…

Are you kidding? Human DNA is written out in the same four nucleotides as that of all other earthly life. The human genome is, in fact,  far smaller than the genomes of some other species.  And, as I pointed out earlier, humans do share almost all of their DNA with chimps.

Back to my original point… learn to seperate the bull from the truth then you will find the truth..

Yeah– bull like when someone comes up to you, claims to be a professional biologist, and then shows an utter, bumbling unfamiliarity with basic biology.

All off what you were taught in school on evolution is bull… be honest and try to find the proof then come back and talk to me..

I’m perfectly willing to source any of the statements I’ve made. All of my claims are verifiable.  And, please… before you try to fool people into thinking you’re a  scientist, at least brush up on the basics. X)

well good luck in proving that to yourself… if you are really honest about proof.

It is already proven, as I’ve pointed out about fifty times.

there is no time to proof any basic knowledge to you here… its part of the problem…

I’d be glad to direct you to the proof that supports any of my statements regarding the basics of evolutionary biology.

Its a lie!! its what I am trying to make you see… just go and search for real.

I have researched this. I have my evidence ready. Where’s yours?

My library is filled with this proof of mine and your false evidence… stop trying to make it sound like you can proof anything on here.

What are we going to do, spend the next six hours saying, “I have evidence!”  “No you don’t!”  “Yes I do!”  Why don’t you let me lay out some of the evidence supporting evolution, and then we’ll address it.

And by the way… you are lying about researching anything… if you were really cincere you will find the truth.

I’m lying about researching anything? Then how did I know that humans have relatively small genomes when you didn’t?

when did I say that I dont know anything… I am talking about searching the things you were taught and finding the truth.

You said that humans had genomes more complex than those of any other lifeform. This was incorrect, and I pointed it out.

Please learn allot more or update your research before claiming me to be wrong…

I do have evidence on hand demonstrating you to be wrong. Would you like to see it?

save your breath

For someone who’s so concerned with the truth, you don’t seem particularly eager to look at any of the evidence.

thats youre problem… running from truth..

If I’m the one running from truth, why do you refuse to look at the evidence I offer?

I’m too busy to talk now… And goodbuy to you… be carefull of broken legs…


me dam f@ck

i love Jesus

Okay.

i pray to him everyday

Why?

because it Jeuse

So what? Jesus was just a person like any other.

no jesus is perfect!

X) Perfect, huh?

god son is perfect

Jesus wasn’t god’s son.

you dam f@ck yes he is!

Got any proof?

the bible b@tch

The Bible’s just a book.

wait do you think it is real?

I think that the Bible exists; I don’t think that its words are necessarily true, though.

you jack@ss sorry it makes me mad when ppl talk about god or his son!

But you haven’t even proven that your god exists.  How can you demand I respect a claim you haven’t demonstrated?

so you dont belevin in god

Nope.

you b@tch for real