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may God take over your life

God loves you brother

Which one?

The one and only

Yes, but which one and only? There are hundreds.

will you stop that
Dont be confused…..you only think that….its sad honestly…..but the great part is that no matter what you are loved by God

That’s nice. So, which one?

Again I say dont be confused….you already know very well who Im speaking of…..so dont pretend plz. You deny him simply b/c

I wouldn’t want to presume.

you dont like the idea of your actions sending you to hell…its easier just to pretend he doesnt exist

XD Of course, the fact that there’s no reason to believe that a god exists makes it much easier to “pretend.”

no….you know that God exist….you’re just WILLINGLY ignorant…..

I reject belief in gods simply because there is no rational reason to believe in a god.

you hide your fear behind false logic and propagana….you dont know…you only THINK you know…

That’s nice. So, do you have any evidence of your god’s existence, or…?

if you would be kind enough to tell me your name I will pray for you and God will honor prayer and begin to move in your life : )
not b/c im special or anything…but because he loves you and he desires a relationship with you : )

X) Join the queue.

I will humbly join those in prayer for you….but know this….when God moves on your behalf…honor that
Your name? I promise that all I want to do is pray for you…nothing more….I will leave the rest in God’s hands and let you be

I’m sure your god can figure out who I am, what with being omniscient and all.

thats true……but I was going to have others pray for you as well….if i give you a phone number will you phone in with me?
Ill tell you up front the line opens promtly at 6:33am….but I would be honored if you would phone in with me please

No; sorry. If I obliged everyone who tried to convert me it’d be a full-time job.

what have you got to lose? from 6:33-7:14 thats all…..

Like I said, if I said yes to every church invitation etc. I receive, it would consume all my time. So, in order to be fair, I oblige no one, unless their offer sounds particularly interesting, which yours does not.  Sorry.

what do you say?

No.

will you please just make this attempt once….not face to face…you dont even have to speak…just listen in…

Anyway, you haven’t provided even a speck of evidence for the legitimacy of your beliefs.

with all due respect you havent asked for any

“That’s nice. So, do you have any evidence of your god’s existence, or…?”
^^^That was me asking you for evidence.

but I REALLY would love for you to listen in on this phone call…my name is [name] from Lafayette Ga.
when you hear me you can hang up if you’d like….and what type do you want?

Any kind of evidence would suffice.

uni means “one” verse means “spoken sentence” we live in a single spoken scentence
god spoke the earth and heavens into existance
as much as language changes that fact has not throughout time

So… do you have any evidence that that “fact” is true?

ok…..do you live in this universe? I mean believer or not…you have to admit the universe is real
this may go better if you just ask a question within an area of personal doubt on your end
i could go all day on topics that may not be relevant to you

My doubt concerning your god is pretty comprehensive; you can pick any area you like, so far as I’m concerned.

so for now I would like to attempt to answer the questions that make you doubt….most atheist are intelligent people

XD Are we? I dunno; I’ve met some pretty dense atheists in my time.

so im sure that something specific is bothering you
lol…ill agree to that

Not really. There’s no evidence that your god exists; it’s as simple as that.

honestly this planet is proof
evolution is created to encourage atheism
we’ve all been subject to mass tax funded brainwashing
everyone

In what way are you saying your god’s existence is necessary to account for the existence of the Earth?

the fact that everything is in order and is harmoneous

In what way do you mean “harmonious”? There are plenty of things that don’t seem all that harmonious to me, but if you define the word broadly enough it could be true.

well its true that may be subject to selective interpretation….thats why I said it would be easier for you to tell me why you personaly dont belive

I don’t believe because there is no reason to believe. The rational default position toward any proposition is a lack of belief.  That’s my personal reason.

where you spend your eternity is a pretty good one
if there is no God who decides whats right and wrong?
where did good and evil come from?

What do you mean by “good and evil,” exactly?
I use the words to refer to decisions that promote benefit and decisions that promote harm, respectively, but those words are very nebulously-defined in general.

I mean who determines what a good or evil action or person is?

People do; who else would?

which people and why? what would make one persons opinion overule another?
if that were the case i could make you belive in God

One person’s opinion would overrule another’s if it could be demonstrated that that opinion was more justified by the available evidence.

for good and evil?
could you offer an example of that theory?

Well, say somebody says, “It would be good to throw this hand grenade into a room full of children!” Then person B disagrees, offering some proof that grenade explosions are harmful and would probably cause suffering. Person B’s opinion is vindicated, assuming Person A doesn’t provide any counter-evidence.

and if they can…?

Then the debate continues, though I think that in practice this would be an open-and-shut case.

who would get to decide?

You mean, who would have the ability to enforce their decision?

and that would only be one specific action

Yup. You asked for an example.

websters dictionary HAS a conclusive definition for both words…what do you think the basis is for those words?

Basis for the *words*? Words are just labels for things.

words are how we communicate
a study was conducted with children who had no social interaction from birth….
they died
they were fed 3 squares…had vaccines…got exercise…but they died without the ability to communicate

I’d ask for some documentation of this study if it had any relevance to what we’re talking about.

is that words carry weight and are significant…this is just in response to what you said
not backing up my posistion on God
and you could google it for yourself

Sorry, but providing evidence for your claims isn’t my responsibility.

i heard about it in my Psyc. class
the best thing would simply be to ask for an encounter with God

So… all that stuff about “Where do good and evil come from?”– you’re just abandoning that, or what?

no IM open to a debate anytime…I just think that you having an encounter with the Lord would do much more : )
Im sure if you were open to it he would honor that request
all you have to do is cry out with honest intentions and he’ll be there
i really would like you to join this phone confrence with me in the morning

Your god’s Yahweh, I take it?

exscuse me?

Yahweh, the Abrahamic god, would be your god, I assume.

God, Jesus, I am that I am,

Yeah, that one. Okey-dokey.
YAHWEH! PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH SOME EVIDENCE OF YOUR EXISTENCE.
Hrm. Nothing happened.

Please dont attempt to frustrate me….its a waste of time….but Im asking you to join me in the morning

You said that if I asked him with honest intentions to provide proof that he would.

but as i assumed an actual encounter scares you
you dont want to know the father
you dont want to give up your own lusts

Not really. I mean, would you say that an encounter with Hannibal Lecter “scares” you? It would be horrifying to find out that the Abrahamic god exists, but it’s such a remote possibility it’s hard to countenance seriously.

lector isnt all powerful and knowing : )
well that guy didnt die for your sins : )
he is your god too

No.

where do you think man came from….monkeys?!

No. Humans evolved; they didn’t come from monkeys.

were desendants of Adam my friend
..propaganda
there is no evidence for that
none

Sure there is; would you like me to go over some of it?

thats a debate thats easy to win

XD Well, that’s true.

lol…lets do it…im about to tick you off….just warning you

That does sound likely.

evolution is a religion first of all
so youre not an atheist

I don’t believe in any gods, therefore I am an atheist.

evolution requires faith in the unseen

No, it doesn’t.

has anyone ever seen evolution take place?

Yup.

please tell me how so

Ever heard of the Lenski bacteriological experiments?

and are we talking micro,macro, cosmic

Uh… cosmic “evolution” is a separate thing from biological evolution.

no please enlightenme
well..micro, or macro,

You’d call it “micro,” which is of course a meaningless distinction employed by creationists in order to make it seem that the more undeniable examples of evolution are somehow separate from the larger, somewhat harder-to-grasp examples.

no its a legit defined term of evolution
check your theory there are 6 stages

Broadly, it was a series of experiments that observed the emergence of a new trait in E. coli.

anyway…im curious to hear how somone has viewed a process that supposedly takes millions of years

Oh, not at all. Remember, evolution refers to changes in allele frequencies in populations over time. It’s always going on; it’s just not always immediately apparent.

so time is your god

Er… if you say so.

b/c all those theories fluff without the imagination and billions of years
so ….you were saying?

Re: what? The Lenski experiments?

yeah man…

As said, they observed the emergence of a new trait in E. coli.

but its still ecoli right…

Yup.

wouldnt evolution be changing into a new bacteria?
like a monkey into a human

Not exactly; all evolution is is change in allele frequencies in populations over time. That encompasses change of that sort of any magnitude. And, no, evolutionists don’t posit that humans evolved from monkeys.

monkey to upright walking homosapian is suppose to evolution

That would be another example of evolution, yes. Though, as I just pointed out, no one actually thinks that humans evolved from monkeys.

the emerging of a new trait is just adapting

Yes; evolution is adaptation.

and plenty of people think that…its in museums

I’ve never seen a museum that suggested it.

and adaptation is NOT evolution

It isn’t? In that case, I don’t accept evolution, and neither did Darwin.

google it…lol
plenty of them out there
zoo’s as well
….your changing the definition to suit your argument..but it still proves nothing

The definition of evolution employed by the scientific community is change in allele frequency in populations over time.

you gave me an example of adaptation

Yup. And that adaptation was an example of evolution.

adaptation and evolution have two seperate definitions
and a change in bacteria is you reason not to belive in God!?

No; whether or not evolution is true has no effect on whether or not I believe in a god.

it should!.b/c if we didnt evolve then how did we get here….?
we were created!

Got any evidence of that?

yesir

Please.

the human genome can only be traced back to thousands of years

Untrue, but go on.

and the more studies that come up reveal that we all share common ancestors

Well, yeah. That’s one of the central predictions of evolutionary theory.

dude you can google that as well…or go to PBS..they have an on going series on TV now about it

Sorry; proving your claims for you isn’t my responsibility.

no but its yours to check my sources if you dont belive me

XD And your source is “Google.” Or “on PBS somewhere.” Tell me, is “Google” peer-reviewed?

we could sit here all night and do this if thats your attitude

Anyway, when are you going to get on to the bit about proving divine creation?

no google will just offer thousands of sites that support my claim
you can have your choice of a credible source

Google will also offer thousands of sites that support my claims, so… there you go.

no your sources cant be observed and tested..mine can
: )

Yes they can; I provided you with an example just a few minutes ago. Have you forgotten already?

as i said …no one has ever viewed evolution

Sure they have; I just gave you an example.

and adaptation is seperate from evolution

No, it isn’t. Sorry.  As I said, if “evolution” is not adaptation, then “evolution” is not a belief I hold.

is a change in species or kinds…evolution leads to a whole new species

Evolution is change in allele frequency in populations over time.  This doesn’t necessarily mean speciation.

like saying that lizards came from birds

Whoever said that lizards came from birds?

every palenotologist who says that birds are ancestors of dinosaurs
i know you’ve heard that claim
and its rediculous

…No. Dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds.

lol……*sigh*….

XD Yeah, it would be fairly ridiculous, given that dinosaurs were around long before birds.

they were all created at the same time my friend

Got any evidence of that?

yeah…the book of genesis

The fact that it’s written in a book is not proof that it’s true.

ahh…..so you understand that science books contain lies?

Some do, sure. What, did you think my argument for the veracity of evolution was “It’s written in a book!! DUHHHRRR.”

nearly all do….and thing that states millions or billions of years does
the earth isnt that old

Got any evidence of that?

are you aware that the earth has a magnetic field?

Yup.

and that it is decreasing
???

Ah, you’re going to do the “it’s decreasing at rate X which proves the Earth is only a few thousand years old!” argument, are you?

well for now im just curious as to wether or not youre aware
but if youre familar then how can you possibly think the earth is millions or billions of years old

Because nothing about the fact that Earth’s magnetic field may be currently decaying indicates a young Earth.

you know the moon is drifting further and further from earth

Let me rebut one argument before moving onto the next, please.
Earth’s magnetic field has varied in intensity many times during its existence. I’d really have to know which measurements you’re basing your claims on to offer a more specific rebuttal.

if you were to increase the magnetic field by the same rate as its decreasing by millons of years the solar system would be pulled into
our planet

Yes, but as I just pointed out, the Earth’s magnetic field varies in intensity.

the rate its decreasing doesnt
its a constant variable

No, it isn’t. Sorry. Would you like to see some citations? There’s really not much more I can do in order to reinforce this point.

that principle is how we can tell that the moon is drifting away from earth
if the magnetic field was restored by millions of years the moon would be on the planet

X) Please listen to me for a second. No, Earth’s magnetic field has not always declined at a constant rate. Its intensity has varied repeatedly, and its polarity has reversed repeatedly.

and you know this how?

Well, it’s what’s indicated by the evidence.

im talking about what we can observe and study now…not what we think may have happened then

It’s a hypothesis that’s been confirmed numerous times in peer-reviewed publications; the data’s there for anyone to analyze.

publications do not equal science or facts

Well… yes, of course, but the peer review process provides a strong indicator of whether or not a study is basically valid. It also indicates that the raw data of a study is available, meaning that, if you wanted, you could scrutinize it for inconsistencies.

just beause its published doesnt mean its true, common sense should tell you that

Yes, but that’s not what I actually claimed.

its observable and testable that if there is a constant variable then the equations are true
simple algebra…you cant solve the problem without knowing the value or constant of at least one variable
anything less is guess work
and guess work isnt fact
simply a theory

Oh, lord. You think that “theory” implies uncertainty, don’t you?

the loss of rate of the magentic field does not change

Got any proof of that?

i theory is what someone THINKS will or wont happen
the next step is to test the theory

Not exactly. A theory, in scientific parlance, is defined as a framework of explanations used to address an observed phenomenon.

c’mon dude thats 6th grade stuff right there

Precisely; that’s why I’m a little shocked you’re unaware of it.

now observing simply states that its there

…Yup.

thats not science

Observation is part of the scientific process.

a part…but not the part that proves anything
its simply observation

That’s true. Observation is observation.

its how you formulate a hypothesis
the testing has to confirm a theory

That’s also correct; well-done.

what test confims that we come from primeapes?

XD “Primeape” is a Pokemon. And, no, Primeape doesn’t evolve into a human.

establishing a theory doesnt prove facts
nor does it prove the theory

You are going to get around to presenting evidence for your claims at some point, right?

which claims?

About a god existing and so forth.

all you’ve done is ignore the obvious
freewill, the creation of earth, fingerprints, DNA
take your pick
the flood of noah

Let’s go with fingerprints. In what way is the existence of your god necessary to explain the existence of fingerprints?

fingerprints reflect and inteligent designer

In what way?

how throughout the course of humanity each one of us has a personal distinguashable mark
you being here is proof of the lord God

So… how is the existence of your god necessary to account for our fingerprints, according to you?

the fact that he created man with intelligent design

What proof is there of that “fact”?

the fact that your here!
with your own set of prints

How is your god necessary to account for the fact that I’m here and have fingerprints?

no other like you
God created man

Got any evidence of that?

not the other way around
uh…man is here!
lol

How is the existence of your god necessary to account for man’s existence?

we certainly didnt evolve from nothing

Agreed, but what evidence is there that your god exists and created us?

THE FACT…..WERE….HERE

How is the existence of your god necessary to account for that fact?

If we didnt evolve then where did we come from
??

Well… we did evolve. Why, do you have some evidence that we were created in some other way?

and why is admiting that there is a God so difficult to you

Because there’s no evidence that there is a god.

there is no evidence…..NONE that we evolved
and if so then why did it stop?

It didn’t stop. Why would it stop?

why arent humans still evolving into some new creature?

We are evolving, of course.

b/c evolution is false
i cant see how you can honestly belive that

But then, you think that evolution means birds turning into lizards.

in what way and how
i dont think that
thats what your evolution pals teach

Any evolutionary changes taken place over the past few thousand years would have to be pretty minor.   Things like increased resistance to certain diseases, or increased height, to the degree that it’s caused genetically, would be examples.

dude maximus who ruled over rome was 8’6

…In what way is that a rebuttal of anything I’ve said?

and there are thousands of skeletons found of humans over 9 feet tall
you said the average height was growing

I used growing average height, to the degree that it’s due to genetic change, as a hypothetical example of the sort of evolutionary change to humans we could expect to see in the relatively recent past.

average height for a man is around 5’9

Having a lower average height doesn’t mean that there will never be any tall people, anyway.

romans were 8’ft tall!
and that increase in height is only in industrial areas

Eight feet was not the average height for a Roman; sorry.  But this is beside the point.

go to guatamala and show me proof of that
didnt say it was the average I said maximus was 8ft tall

And as I pointed out, that has no bearing on anything I’ve said.  Which Maximus are you talking about, anyway?

people are getting shorter since the fall

Decreasing height would serve as as much an example of evolution as increasing height would.

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Jesus Christ! What is all that crap?

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with an honest effort
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I’ll do it if you can provide some evidence of the validity of your claims; you haven’t so far.

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God damn.  Stop spamming me; it doesn’t make me any more likely to follow your suggestions.

grow up!…youre not a child and your going to be held accountable for your actions

I’m happy to be held accountable for my decisions. There’s nothing unjustifiable in rejecting your religion; it’s a decision I’m glad to stand by.

so just make the call…what do you have to lose!
i know…but it saddens me….and the lord more
he loves you…more than I ever could…and this is what im suppose to do…reach out to my brother

Reach out to me with some evidence and we’ll talk.

you dont have to live your life this way
God desires a relationship with you
eternity is a LONG TIME

Please stop talking in bumper stickers.

you wont just rot in the dirt!
youll burn in hell!
forever
constant suffering
wishing you would have lived differently

Ah– well, that makes it easier, then. Even if I did accept the existence of your god, I certainly wouldn’t accept a relationship with him if he tortures people.

i know you care
he’s not there
its your choice
and youre making it now

I know. And I choose to support the conclusion indicated by the evidence. So… there you go.

dont change your mind for me
do it for the lord
and yourself
good deeds dont get you into heaven

All the more reason not to ally oneself with its administrator.

the blood of jesus is your only pass brother
why would i spend all night debating and arguing with you if i thought it was wrong?

Of course you don’t *think* you’re wrong.

your soul has value
you have value

I agree.

there is so much more to life than what you see with you eyes
and what you can feel

What on earth makes you think I’ll be impressed by another string of tired, cliche, unevidenced claims?

im not trying to impress you

If I started going on at you about how you need to rid yourself of your body-Thetans because of Cosmic Lord Xenu, would you find that at all credible, or would it just strike you as a bunch of tiresome hogwash?

i know that dying will be the last thing you ever do

Well, yeah. That goes for everyone.

and that God requires faith of us
you too
dont slap God in the face and patronize him

Your god’s both nonexistent and evil; if he doesn’t deserve to be patronized, who does?

he loves you man….REAL LOVE!
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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.

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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.
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Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.
Quit spamming me, you retard. It does not make a positive impression.

as i said earlier GROW UP MAN!

Yes! I’ll grow up, dispense with all logic and morality, and devote my time to spamming people on the Internet.

try to have a more mature disposition
if all you took from this is a spamming session then i truly pitty you
*sigh*…i wonder what happened to you that made you this way?
did someone you love die?

Not yet.

did your parents divorce?

No.

were you bullied in school?

No more than most people.

were you molested?

No.

what happened that made you feel the way you do towards god
atheist arent born there made
who made you the way you are?
parents?
teachers?
significant others?
friends?

The fact that there’s no evidence that your god exists is what dictates my position regarding your god’s existence. Sorry to disappoint, but it’s not as if I was born a Christian and someone dropped me on my head and I turned atheist.

????
and when were you old enough to formulate that thought on your own?
and you ask for proof but dont even know what proof you want

Any proof would be acceptable; to rule out some proof arbitrarily would be unfair.

like what?
you dont even know what youre looking for

You’re the one making the claim; yout ell me.

your the one wanting proof
you want something but dont know what it is you want

X) I want people who make claims to be able to substantiate their claims. That’s all.
If someone claimed to me that the Earth was flat, I’d respond in the same way: I’d ask for them to present some proof supporting their claim. That doesn’t mean that I’m looking for proof of the Earth’s flatness, per se. I would just want that person to provide reasonable justification for their statements.

thats a very imature statement

Not really; I think it does a good job of illustrating my position.
Someone makes an apparently unevidenced statement. I respond by asking for evidence.  It’s that simple.

ive been here all night giving you hard facts that you choose not to belive
you just dont want to admit that there is a God that is going to judge you

Why would that bother me?

b/c your a sinner
unforgiven
and that means hell
that bothers you
obeying rules
that bothers you

Ah– well, if there were an evil god like the one you describe, it would dismay me, but I wouldn’t reject belief in him if that belief were evidenced.

no premarital sex
that bothers you

If someone tried to force me to follow unnatural, Puritanical rules on sex that would bother me, sure.

and for you not to belive in god you sure do have alot of adjetives for hime

Well, I don’t believe in Holden Caulfield, but I could describe him at length as well.

thats beside the point…he cant grant you eternal life

My point was that I am capable of describing my impressions of a fictional character in detail. You seemed to be implying that, because I can apply “a lot of adjectives” to your god, that must mean I find the idea of his existence credible somehow.

he didnt die for your sins
he doesnt love you

I like to think I wouldn’t sell my integrity for eternal life. Perhaps I would, but that wouldn’t make it right.

integrity!……thats doing whats right when no ones looking!!!
how is denying God integrity!
thats a shame!

X) I’m definitely not ashamed of it.

would your mother approve?

I don’t think it would affect her one way or the other.

then shame on her as well

That’s nice.

its really not
its sad
i love my children too much to allow them to think, or speak the way you do

Oh, man. You have kids?

the lord blessed me with 2
and 2 foster sons by choice
raised them from birth

That’s disturbing.

and have been blessed
and my children are honor roll students
: )
and creationist
christians

That’s genuinely disturbing to hear.

: )…its a blessing
God favors children
God favors his children
and me….and all who are persecuted for his sake

I would genuinely be less put off if you said you were molesting them.

your words dont bother me
nor do they discourage me
they only make my heart cry for you

Yes, well, if only your heart could cry out a rational justification for the beliefs you’ve brainwashed your children to accept.

Im not the one with the problem my friend
you will ALWAYS carry around an emptiness without
and youre the one who’s brain washed
want me to prove that

Sure, go ahead.

ok…..pay attention now
a man leaves home jogging….
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left…joggs a little more
he turns left and jogs home…..
on his way home he sees two masked men waiting for him
who are the masked men…and why did leave home jogging?
??

I haven’t been given enough relevant information to determine that.

yes you have…i promise
this isnt a trick…just showing you how easy it is to be brainwashed and not know it

Okey-dokey. Please explain how this story demonstrates that I’m brainwashed.

can you answer ?

I have answered.

who were the masked men…and why did he leave home jogging?

I haven’t been given enough relevant information to determine that.

want me to start from the begining?

No; it’s still there.

want the answer?….itll all make sense

Go ahead.

catcher, and a umpire, the man left home jogging b/c he hit a homerun

All right. That was mildly clever.

once your off track in your thinking…people tend to stay that way

That’s just stupid. You asked me a question which I had insufficient information to answer; that’s not proof of brainwashing. I might as well say, “What number am I thinking of?” -“I don’t know.” “It was five! Hahaha, you’re brainwashed!”

your not dumb
your not a bad guy
youve just been missinformed

You are… *monumentally* condescending.

i assure you im not trying to be

Here’s what’s gone on in this conversation so far: you’ve made some outlandish claims about the supernatural, I’ve asked for proof of them, and you’ve responded with a bunch of nonsense about the moon moving away from Earth in some unspecified way that disproves evolution so that proves that the Christian god exists because we have fingerprints. That performance doesn’t give you the right to go all “Aww, poor you! You’re so misguided. : ( ” at this point.

no youve quoted things you’ve heard or read and have never seen for yourself

What’s your argument, now? That you need to see something in person to know that it exists?

i know i dont…there is nothing superior about me.  i dont feel im better than anyone else
i just feel I know the truth

“Feeling” you know the truth isn’t worth anything.

i feel the bible can be backed up completley

Every deluded, fundamentalist moron of every religion “feels” very strongly that they’re right.

and it can

Okey-dokey; go ahead, then.

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check it out man….
seriously

I’m familiar with that site. Do you want me to rebut every single argument on it for you, of what?

im sure you cant…so dont waste your time
im honestly not interested in debating anymore

No, no, I’m happy to. Would you like me to demonstrate why its claims are wrong? Or did you just want to throw it out there and then run off before I can offer a rebuttal?

i just want your name so I can pray for you by name
if you dont mind

I’m not giving you my name.

im [name] of lafayette Ga
i attend friendship community central
under bishop [other name]
aka church supernatural
our motto is Prayer everywhere
it is focus, center, and culture of the church
and I want to pray for you
i will even if I dont get your name

I’m sure you will. Have fun with that.

and I speak it right now in the name of Jesus that he convicts your heart and speaks to you
I speak clarity into your life
I speak restlessness in your spirit
untill you acknowlege the lord god

Enjoying yourself? X)

i pray that im not out of order in my words
I pray that holy spirit comes to you
that God speaks to you
and moves in your life in an undeniable fashion
and should you continue to ignore him that he has mercy on your soul
I rebuke and bind the attacks of the enemy in your life
and pray that God renews the spirit of your mind
may the lord bless you and keep you
may he lift his countanence upon you

*countenance

may he be gracious unto you
from your rising up to your laying down

*lying

in your going out as well as coming in, in your work as well as your leasure

*leisure

and may he reveal himself to you
may God take over your life

XD Now, that’s a threat if I’ve ever heard one.

we ask this in the name of he that sits most high
non the less than Jesus
amen

“Non” the less?

God will move !
and be considerate with typo’s please

*typos. Bite me.

yet youre still here
your soul longs for Jesus
you! long for Jesus

If! that’s what you need to tell yourself.

thats what im telling you
: )

The smilies really don’t make you any less creepy.

God is going to work in your life….and you wont be able to deny him much longer

You’re finally going to make with some evidence, are you?

and for your sake I will pray
my friend i have given you ample evidence

No, you haven’t. “The moon is moving further away according to this formula I don’t know any of the specifics of, and also I saw this thing on PBS” is not evidence.

and frankly im tired
i have to be up at 6″

X) Well, if you’re through with your self-congratulation, feel free to go.

God loves you man….dont keep him waiting….
: )

Once more: Sorry, but I don’t endorse unevidenced beliefs.

why not?…we are the undecieved
your mind is not in a place to accept truth : )

Sure it is. I’m glad to assess any evidence that’s put before me.

the only worthless thing is your unbelief in the lord
b/c despite it…you will stand before him

Hey, regardless of who’s judging me, I’m glad to take responsibility for my decisions.

you have no idea…

To the contrary; I’m quite familiar with your religion’s mythology.

so even if it means burning in hell for an eternity….thats ok with you

Of course I’m not okay with people being tortured, but I am happy to account for my actions.

and you dont know its mythology…you only HOPE that it is

X) Well, given that that’s what all the evidence indicates, I don’t have to hope hard.

you cant prove that it is
and morality has little to nothing to do with your unbelief

Sure it does. Valuing the truth is necessary for any kind of functional morality.

thats a scapegoat
and a cowardly approach to the issue
you dont know the truth though….your taking someone elses word for it
and probably havent read any of the bible for yourself
your mis informed….and are ok with it

I have read the Bible, though even if I hadn’t I would be able to justify my lack of belief in your god.

you my friend are willingly ignorant

I would only be willingly ignorant if I avoided familiarizing myself with the facts.

you dont know facts
scientfic assumptions

Sure I do; I’m willing to provide evidence for any of my claims.

you cant though….you really cant…you like to pretend you can

Sure I can. I’m not hostile to requests for evidence to substantiate my claims. And I don’t fall back on, “I *feel* it’s true! I have faith!” to justify anything.

i havent said that once : )
i said that he requires faith from us all…but i havent offered that as a reason for anything weve discussed
i feel many christians use that when they just dont know how to answer
2peter asks all christians to be ready to answer and defend there faith in the lord
im doing my part….thats all
faith is required of me…so i dont think its irrational at all
i have faith that oxygen is real…even though I cant see it

X) If you believe in oxygen despite having no evidence that it exists, then your belief is irrational.

well im breathing…so thats good enought for me

That would be evidence, yes.

would you consider oxygen as the breath of life?

Depends what you mean by “breath of life.”

breath that gives life…lol

Well… oxygen isn’t really a “breath,” and it sustains life rather than giving it, so, no.

what do you take in with each breath?

A mixture of gases, one of which is oxygen.

if you dont think theres life in the breaths you take then stop breathing for about 2 mins…lol

Oxygen itself is not a “breath”; your terminology is nonsensical.

oh but do you see how you go out of your way just to disprove any logical assesment i make?
cant you see how this banter is playing out?

No. Your question “Would you consider oxygen as the breath of life” is ambiguous. I’d give most people the benefit of the doubt, but you’re clearly fond of playing semantics, so I can’t.

its humorous to me…..i want to go to bed , but I cant for some reason
I mean you seem reasonably inteligent…yet you deny the obvious and defend idiocracy
even if you felt I was right

X) Are you kidding? Why would I defend a viewpoint I disagree with?

its all about pride now…
to you that is….
see thats the thing you automatically disagree….even if Im right

I’m perfectly happy to agree with you on things that are actually true.

no you’re not…..if the moon is getting farther away from the earth what logical assumption can be made?
that it was closer right?

In absence of contradictory evidence, sure.

thats a very cowardly and vauge statement

If you say so.

you know so

Indeed; there’s nothing more cowardly than employing elementary logic. If I were courageous I suppose I’d just agree to everything you say.

cowardly is offering a vauge response to that logic in an attempt to dispute it

I’m not disputing your assertion exactly, just adding a needed qualifier.

in what way is that “needed”
i know ….do you?

If contradictory evidence emerges, that could alter the certainty of a proposition that might otherwise seem to have been established as certainly true.

I didnt even make a point at that time….and you were attempting to set it up as a false hood
before I even finished…..

Nope; just adding a qualifier.

that comment is not needed
its a yes or no question
agree or disagree

And my answer is a qualified yes.

then if the moon is moving away at a caculated rate would you agree that it is mathmaticly possible to determine how close it was at a giv
given point and time?

If you have all the relevant data, sure.

such as….

You’re the one presenting the scenario; you tell me.

your the one doubting…im trying to cover the basis of the rebuttle
relevant data such as…..

You’re the one presenting the scenario; you tell me. In this scenario, what leads you to think that the moon is receding at a certain rate?

i just want to be thorough b.c im sure you will doubt the end result

Well, go ahead and tell me what data you have that’s led you to draw whatever conclusion it is you’ve drawn.

tell you what?….you said if I have relevant data….would you determine what relevant since youre in doubt?
i have to confirm with you to establish the validtiy of my piont
lets do this b4 we get off topic

Why don’t you just present your evidence, let me rebut it, and then offer your own rebuttal? You know, as opposed to doing a bunch of song and dance in an attempt to head off a rebuttal.

b/c you intergected and challenged…i have to address this b4 i can advance

I didn’t challenge, per se; you asked a question, and I answered it.

at that point yes you did…but you brought into question the relevance of the data…i have to asess what is relevat to you

X) What do I have to do to get you to present your evidence, jab you with a cattle prod? I mean, come on.

listen….i dont have a problem continuing….but everytime I do you immediatley challenge…so this time allow me to be thorough

Go ahead; I won’t interrupt you unless I notice some enormous fallacy on your part.

in relations to moon moving away from the earth at a calculated rate..what constitutes as relevant data so i can be thorough

You’re asking me to provide a complete list of every single thing that could imaginably be relevant to determining the Moon’s movement?

after all you said it
i dont want you denying my posistion once im done saying that its not relevant data or unproving

Well, if your evidence is invalid, I am going to say that it is. There’s not much you can do to stop that.

if i may continue knowing that your on the same page then I will
we have to be on the same page or its pointless

Go ahead.

well if the moon moves away at a caculated rate could you not determine a previous position of the moon mathmaticly

Potentially, sure.

well if the earth is indeed millions or billions of years old then moon would have been attached to the earth based on the rate that it is
currently moving away
now….this disproves the million or billion year theory

Is this no longer a hypothetical, then? Are you claiming to have some evidence to prove that this is true?

which in turn unravells several aspects of evolution
and if evolution is flawed how can anyone state it as fact?

Except, of course, that in reality the Moon’s movement in no way contravenes an old universe.
Thanks for finally getting around to your argument, by the way. And I mean that.

on the contrary it is….b/c mathmaticly its impossible to calculate that movement my millions of years
and no problem man
: )

The moon recedes at a rate of about 3.8 centimeters per year.

theres actually a segment on that on dr.dino com

Yeah, I know.

its titled the age of the earth
there is a vast amount of material on there……being familar with it all is unlikely

Anyway, the rate of the moon’s recession is consistent with the moon being up to ten billion years old, even if we do make the unjustified assumption that it’s always moved the same way and at the same rate that it doesn ow.

no its not….of that im sure

Can you give me any evidence that the moon is moving in… whatever manner you’re claiming it’s moving?

if you’d like to wait Ill get the exact info with sources

I don’t imagine you have any interest in seeing the proof in favour of my claims.

thats ok…give me ten mins or so
ill be right with you…and Ill even let you do the math….: )

(Five minutes pass.)

you still with me?
currently all im finding is the info that disproves the big bang specificly
im still searching for the formula on the moon

All right.

(Thirty minutes pass.)

Hello?

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Scientist

Do you know Jesus

Not personally, no.

He is the most important person youl ever meet

I take it you’re claiming that he was the son of a god who sacrificed his life in order to redeem mankind of its sins and that I can only get to Heaven by taking him into my heart etc.?

Well they wrote a book based on him…must of had something special.

If you say so.

So u dont believe in a higher being exist…do you believe we evolved from monkeys ..and yet there is still monkeys in the world

No, I don’t believe we evolved from monkeys.

good because evolution wipes out one specie and forms another…evolution

No; that’s not evolution. Evolution describes changes in allele frequencies in populations over time. Speciation is the branching off of one species from another due to accumulation of these genetic changes.  It’s not necessarily true that the ancestral species will die out while the descendant species persists.

I was talking in sort terms ..same thing just sorter words
shorter words

No. You said that evolution “wipes out one species and forms another.” I pointed out that when a new species forms, the old species isn’t necessarily wiped out.

science show that in place of the species a new is formed and the one that it replaces does becomes extinct

Untrue. After all, if that were the case, every species from which another species has branched would be extinct.

show me a dinasour, or anther species that suppolibly were evolved that still exist

All existent species were formed by evolution, so take your pick.
Oh, you mean a species from which another species has branched?

and Id like to know were u got a phd, or a ba in college

X) This is basic science. You don’t need a PhD to understand it any more than you need a PhD to understand heliocentrism.

yes Id like a species that still exists that are still the same type..I can name 1

Take the Culex pipiens mosquito for instance, the species from which the London Underground mosquito is thought to have derived.

yea, but still a mosquito

Yup. What’s your point?

that one don’t count cause it didn’t evolve into anything

Speciation is evolution.

birds came from dinasours..no more dinasours. closest thing is reptiles. evolution

Evolution is change in allele frequencies in populations over time. One form of life gradually evolving into a completely different form is evolution, but subtler alterations are evolution as well.

bestu go back and redue your report …but good chat…I had fun…but got to get back to my science lab work…thank you

XD Your “science lab work.” Right. I didn’t know they gave people without basic scientific training their own labs.

called good college, they give u a job anywhere…phd buddy study hard you can get there…back to basic for u

X) Yes, maybe if I study hard enough I can completely unlearn the fundamentals of biology.

is evolution theory or fact…and what it have to do with biology..im a scientist not a doctor..I make more money

If you were a professional scientist, you’d know that in scientific parlance “theory” and “fact” are not mutually exclusive.

everything in science is based on theory until proven other wise..in which becomes fact..

Honestly…  If you’re going to pretend to be a professional scientist, at least learn the basics. A theory, in scientific parlance, is a framework of explanations used to address an observed phenomenon.
Something can be both an established fact and a “theory” in the scientific sense. Take the theory of gravitation, for instance.

take the theory of black hole or of an atom…one has been turned to fact…other isn’t fact it is just a basic theory..I can have a theory

XD Please listen. This will help you in future attempts to pretend to be a scientist.

about how fast someone is going to drive a car..but until it happens it don’t become fact

“Theory,” in scientific jargon, does not necessarily denote uncertainty. As I pointed out, the theory of gravitation is well-established, as is the germ theory of disease and so forth. You’re using “theory” in the colloquial sense, not in the scientific sense.

if u travel a mile at light speed, theory has it time stands still for u while everyone ages..hasn’t been proven fact yet..its just an idea..

So, are you a research scientist? What field do you work in?

theory is just an idea someone has…and want to try it out..real science
if Im on, at home and I see you on…be more than happy to continue this confersation. with u.

What field do you work in?

classified

…Uh-huh.

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My name is Legion

Jesus died for the sins of the world.

Hi.

Jesus died to give the world a second chance.

Jesus didn’t die for my sins.

Silence demon.

XD Oh, my.

What is your name.

[Name]. What’s yours?

[Name], you will be silent now, for i rebuke you

X) No, I will be silent when I choose to, regardless of your “rebuke.”

It is not I who rebuke you.

But… you just said “I rebuke you.” XD

You will be silent

La la la. No, I can still talk.

No, the Dragon will be cast into the pit
It is your God who has failed

I don’t have a god.

You are a liar.

Got any evidence to substantiate that accusation, or…?

What is your name

It’s still [name]. Yours?

Im not speaking to [name], i am speaking to the person

I am a person. Hello.

How long have you been like this?

“Like this” signifying what exactly?

Why are you doing this?

What, denying your religion?

I deny nothing….Why are you doing this

What are you referring to by “this”? My denial of your religion?

I have no religion.
Why are you doing this?

What are you referring to by “this”?

I see the demons in you…..are you under the impression that your acting on your own will?

Sure.

Why do you live in fear?

I wouldn’t say that I live in fear.

But you do.

If you say so.

I am not speaking to [name]. So be silent

If you’re speaking to someone else, why do you keep messaging me?

is [name] only one person?

Yup. I am a person.

Well [name], im truly sorry for what you have let yourself become.

XD Yes, it’s a truly awful fate not to be a member of your particular religious sect.

But at least my Spirit is free.

So, where were you going with all this?

It dosen’t matter, its not something i can do yet.

Okey-dokey.

You can’t win though, i hope you realize this.

I don’t think that “winning” really applies to this conversation. I mean, I’m being entertained; that’s about as close to “winning” as I can get in this situation, I think.

Farewell… it is too late for you.